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this is somewhere in the skies with Ryan

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spread

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Sprague here from somewhere in the skies

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and I am coming to you from a

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undisclosed location uh for top secret

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rickersons uh but I am making this

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interview happen tonight because I've

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been waiting for a while to talk to this

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gentleman now I first heard about him

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through the television show unidentified

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which aired in the U.S on the History

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Channel it aired here in the UK on Sky

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TV as well and it was part of one of the

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I would say uh most explosive uh two

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episodes of unidentified actually this

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gentleman was in two different episodes

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about uh UFO events that happened over

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nuclear installations a topic that we

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have covered here in the past but uh not

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as in-depth as we will tonight uh I as

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you guys know I'm All About The Human

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Side of UFO experiences and ever since I

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saw this gentleman on the television

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show and uh have seen him in past

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interviews it's very clear that this

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event has affected him greatly like it

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has many other military personnel and

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civilians as well so we're going to talk

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all about the event that happened to him

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at Ellsworth Air Force Base in 1977 in

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just a little bit but I do want to thank

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everyone for being here I know we've got

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a bunch of people in the chat already uh

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to welcome we've got James we've got

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Donovan and we're going to be taking

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listener questions tonight as well guys

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so if you have questions for our guests

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you can put them in the Super Chat which

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helps the show out tremendously we will

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ask those towards the end of the show uh

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but without further Ado let's bring him

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in to talk all about the event that

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happened to him at Ellsworth Air Force

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Base and that is none other than Mario

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Woods Mario welcome to somewhere in the

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skies hello Ryan thank you for having me

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absolutely you know we have been trying

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to make this happen for a while now

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we've been emailing back and forth I'd

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say a little under a year now yeah and

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uh we finally made it happen so we're

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gonna make it worth it tonight for sure

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we're good I'm looking forward to it

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yeah yeah well you know for those who

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may not uh be familiar with the show

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unidentified uh I know you did another

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special on Discovery plus sort of

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recently as well

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um can you tell us a little about who

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you are uh you know we'll get to the

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military career aspect but

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um yeah why don't you go ahead and

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introduce yourself to our audience who

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may not be familiar with you if you

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don't mind okay well my name is Mario

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Woods I'm 67 years old I live in

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Brunswick Georgia

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um I work for a paper company now

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Georgia Pacific uh my hobbies are radio

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control car racing tactical shooting

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physical fitness

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just taking care of my property and just

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doing everything I can to uh continue

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onward in this journey right that's

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right well I don't know if how far you

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want me to expound on that or anything

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or just is that good enough oh no no no

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that's that's perfect man the journey is

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um is definitely what we're going to be

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talking about tonight

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um well let's start with uh your journey

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into the military what made you what

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compelled you to want to join the Air

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Force if you don't mind

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uh well honestly I I uh I just always

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had a thing about aircraft and airplanes

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but uh living in Tampa Florida for as

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long as we did you used to always see

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the launches from NASA across the state

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you know it just always enthused me you

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know Ariel's you know superiority that

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kind of thing and Rockets and missiles

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and stuff like that but um my father was

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a merchant Seaman and lost him my first

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day of my senior high school year so

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I should have probably gone Navy and uh

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instead I just didn't want anything to

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have have to do with the sea any longer

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so uh even though I used to go to see

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with him sometimes I so I decided to go

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in the Air Force and I went into

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and uh went on the security side of it

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which was kind of like the security

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forces as if as is today

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and uh went through all the training we

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did even did some ranger training down

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in the Philippines and so forth that

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that was like 79.

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um when they were trying to integrate

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Air Force into into better modes and

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modules of training so it gave us a

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better better leg to stand on

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it's you know I I don't regret the

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journey it was really really great and

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I'd do it again today if they'd have me

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gotcha well I guess what what was was

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was your first station stationing at

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Ellsworth Air Force Base oh yeah

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after Basics training in technical

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school right um Air Base ground defense

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training yeah that was my first base was

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Ellsworth Air Force Base and uh it was

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really different you know here you know

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here I am a

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you know 18 year old from Tampa Florida

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and um all of a sudden I'm in a missile

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complex in the middle of nowhere in

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South Dakota so it was really different

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but really eye-opening not really

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knowing what the global threat was only

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you know as a student hearing about it

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you know the cold war or what have you

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and then all of a sudden you're thrust

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into the middle of it where you you know

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there were times where I got to actually

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go down inside of a silo and put my

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hands on on a missile you know and just

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think wow I wanted to write something on

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it but that's a federal offense so you

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can't do it you know but but uh I I uh I

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learned a great deal there wow I can't

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even imagine you know the the pressure

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that you and so many of the people on

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base had to deal with day to day and

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first of all thank you for your service

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before we go any further

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the typical day of a security police

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officer look like at a base like

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Ellsworth I'm sure it would change day

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to day but yeah what was kind of the

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protocol of a day-to-day there first of

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all you know even though Ellsworth was

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where you're assigned that's just your

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support base and these missile sites

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were you know are spread throughout they

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Northwestern side of South Dakota as in

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Montana as in Wyoming as as in North

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Dakota and uh

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anyway our base had 150 missiles as the

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other bases did also and then you live

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on these launch control facilities for

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three days at a time then you're off for

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and uh that you live there and you your

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hours rotate per shift or per Tour of

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to 6 p.m and they're you know Staffing

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wise on a launch control facility you

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have six security police officers uh

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four which are response Personnel two

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a facility manager a cook and you have

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four officers there and two of which are

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underground at all times you Manning the

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capsule the launch control capsule so

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and then you monitor based on their on

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their dispatches uh you know and you do

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LF checks launch facility checks to uh

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any and all missile sites and of course

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address any and all uh security related

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uh alarms that go off and they do go off

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so in terms of going off now we're going

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to get to the main event that we will be

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the Crux of the conversation tonight but

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um had you enter had you ever had any

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other incidents occur um

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non-ufo related on the base during your

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time there uh not on the base no um I

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mean of course you hear you're hearsay

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my first experience of anything that

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flying which was uh my with my mother

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was in Port Arthur Texas being taken to

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my elementary school to Queen Elementary

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where my mother pointed out along with

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about 1500 other people I'd say well

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maybe not that many maybe 800 all the

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kids in the playground all the teachers

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hanging out out of Windows it was a one

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uh it was a it was a building where you

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went to school from kindergarten to 12th

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around 61 66 yeah 61 62. I was just that

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was my first year and or going to school

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and kindergarten in first grade I can't

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quite remember but there were three

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objects sitting over top of a church

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only about 50 feet in the air and they

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were you know white silver and had a

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lower uh circular circulating light and

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my mother pointed him out she said look

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Anthony there's flying saucers that's my

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middle name

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and we were just so astonished all the

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cars in front of us were stopped which

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was probably six or eight cars and then

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the playground area which was directly

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across the street from the school itself

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was fenced off so it was an entire

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playground area still there today I saw

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it just in back in 08 and um I just sit

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there and thought about that the church

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is no longer there and the school's been

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redesigned but that morning was really

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really unbelievable because we just

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couldn't believe what we saw and how

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fast they vanished straight up all three

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same time you know they were probably

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75 80 foot in diameter on this is a five

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six year old kid telling you this so

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I don't know if it leaves much room for

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imagination when you've never seen

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something like that before so it's

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pretty much I was pretty factual exactly

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what we saw and you know and once they

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were gone this is the weirdest thing

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Robert Hastings even said this to me

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that a lot of times you know people

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witness something and as soon as it's

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gone it's like okay it's all normal it's

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okay and that's the way that day went

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exactly the way it went

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interesting you do hear that a lot you

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know particularly uh I did a

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investigation recently for a TV show on

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the Phoenix Lights incident oh yeah and

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uh a lot of those Witnesses claim the

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same thing after what they saw they it

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was like something in their brain just

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yeah shut down and they didn't want to

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talk about it or they had some sort of

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like instant Amnesia or there was

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something that just compelled them to uh

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move on and not react to What it just

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occurred um it's fascinating I I do

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wonder often you know is that some sort

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of as Jacques valet would say a control

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mechanism of The Craft you're actually

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seeing or what yeah yeah I really I

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really think so I do I spoke with one uh

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guy out there and I I don't they don't

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want his name mentioned or anything but

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by email and he said you know he

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witnessed that and he was there and he

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had some pictures I tried to get him to

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send me the pictures but he didn't want

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to send me pictures over the internet

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you know how people are concerned about

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that but anyway

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he said they were having a party in his

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backyard and um I don't know birthday

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party or something for his daughter and

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then and that happened and while he

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elected to tell me about that I don't

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know he had seen one of the one of the

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podcasts I think with someone in um he

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just started and my email was there and

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he thought he would get in touch with me

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and he did but he said it was as if okay

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it's over everybody goes back to the

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party nobody even discussed it which I

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found extremely strange but that's the

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way it is yeah right I know I've come

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across hundreds of those at this point

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and uh speaking of emails you're

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probably going to get a bunch after this

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interview I'm already warning you I try

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to answer everybody I can you know I I

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have nothing to hide I have um I'm too

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old to worry about any of this other

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mess I don't have any clearances any

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longer so you know if you can ask

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anything you want well we appreciate

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that yeah you know

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um the more military personnel that come

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forward I think it really

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um elevates the conversation it does

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make people

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stop and listen you know you are trained

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observers your your jobs are literally

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to look for threats at these

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installations and they're happening at

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an alarming rate and yeah and they

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cannot be explained so

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um let's I I guess let's just dive into

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it you know let's rip the Band-Aid off

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Mario

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um this event that happened to you um

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1977

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Ellsworth Air Force Base I want to give

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you the time to just tell it as you'd

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like you know I know you've done it

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before but um this is your time to kind

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of just uh run us through it you know

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from I guess start to finish uh there's

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kind of a tangential aspect to your

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story uh in terms of the missing time

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which I'd like to cover separately if

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that's okay with you sure

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um but yeah maybe just run us through

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what happened in 1977 at the base okay

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um well first of all it was our first

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day out uh being taken from the main

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base of Ellsworth out to November 1

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which is where I was assigned at the

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time and um

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I was working with a new partner named

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Michael Johnson and he was working

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vacation relief for my normal partner

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and being that he outranked me he was a

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team leader by like two months so anyway

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it was nice to meet him and a real nice

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fellow and uh I believe he said he said

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he was from uh

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Chicago Illinois but I I'm not positive

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hopefully um

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we'll make contact with him in the

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future and we've been trying for years

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uh anyhow it was uh maybe 9 15 9 20 at

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night I just stepped outside uh you know

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this this site is in the middle of a

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prairie the closest town is Newell South

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Dakota and it's about eight and a half

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miles away to the South and more south

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of that is uh Sturgis which many people

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are familiar with and that's a that's a

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launch control facility right there

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where we lived that looks like November

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one of course they all look alike I hope

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it is the number one I believe it is

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yeah

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and I was out there last year in

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September which was or no July which was

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really cool maybe before that but anyway

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um

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so I walked out on the front of this

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this building and uh which is just

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standing outside and the only town north

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of that is Belle Fourche about 29 miles

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to the north

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and then you have the North Dakota state

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border on beyond that but uh anyway over

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to the east which would be to the right

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side of this picture

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I stepped out in the parking lot to

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smoke a cigarette and just to stretch my

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legs I smoked then

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and I saw an object at about a 30 degree

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elevation in the sky

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and I was kind of uh confused by it

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because it was so large and it was so

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bright but it was a different intensity

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of light that I've ever seen before I

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honestly thought it was two B-52 bombers

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which we supported a strategic bomber

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squadron at Ellsworth Air Force Base

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they're already ready to go I mean

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that's what they do and that's what

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Ellsworth was that in missiles

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and I honestly thought that's what they

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were because sometimes they'll fly these

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sorties you know where their their

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training flights but they get really

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really low like three four hundred feet

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off the ground and they're just ripping

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and you know I mean they have some

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really big lights on

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I've never seen that kind of light but

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that's what I thought they were maybe

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they were in tandem behind each other or

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something it was so strange that it kept

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my attention the other thing was I

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didn't know if it was coming directly

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toward me or moving it wasn't moving

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away from me so I didn't I really

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couldn't see or that it wasn't

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stationary

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even that's why I thought it was coming

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toward me and I couldn't really detect

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that you know visually

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and I'd say it was probably you know

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seven eight miles away maybe more

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in relationship to large I'd say uh

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it's like looking at a quarter of a moon

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a diameter of a moon or something you

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know but yeah it was bright like that

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and um

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anyway I don't even know what came over

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me it was up there for such a period of

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time I thought well I'll just try what

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they do at sea but you know my father

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taught me and showed me how they used to

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use the ship's lights to you know to

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flash other lights to other ships for

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communication

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so I ran inside my buddy Bill Holloman

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he was on the phone he was talking to

430
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his wife and um

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uh back at Ellsworth and uh I said bill

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there's something out here I would like

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wish you'd take a look at and he just

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kind of weighed me off and uh so I just

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walked up to the panel and it was just

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one switch control 12 to 14 lights

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around the facility and they were all

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these two foot diameter can lights you

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know that illuminate the perimeter and

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the building

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and I flipped them off with them all no

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no sequence no SOS or anything like that

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just for fun just Flip Flip Flip Flip

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I went back outside

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and it flipped it so it flipped off and

446
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flipped back on

447
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now wow yeah and I went well that's

448
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different

449
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you know immediately then I thought

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helicopters you know because there's a

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lot of times you know we had helicopters

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doing trips that come out to the sites

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or to to LCS or to the ls dropping off

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people or bringing a maintenance team or

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something emergency configuration or

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anything but anyway so I ran back inside

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excited and as I went back in I told

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Michael Johnson my my team leader at the

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time I said hey Michael come on here and

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check this out man I said I flipped

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lights at this object at this thing and

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it flipped the lights back

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he didn't even really pay any mind to me

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and he was watching the TV on our three

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channels that we had there

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in 77 so you can imagine with them how

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much TV but so I did it again and went

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back outside

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and uh

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it went off and came back on

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and I thought

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what what is this you know and when it

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went back off it moved and I and I

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couldn't I didn't know that at the time

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so I got I got Michael Johnson I said

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you got to come out here and see this so

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he came outside and he sees the light or

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he sees it the object the light

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and it had moved a little bit further

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north but I think it had gotten a little

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bit closer compared to where it was and

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uh so I went back inside again I said

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hold on a minute I flashed the lights at

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it

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again same sequence ran back outside

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nothing happened

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all of a sudden it went off and it

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didn't come back on so that was three

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times and now it was about five minutes

490
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or so to ten and he just said you know

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like whatever you know he didn't really

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make a comment or anything

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and as I said we didn't really know each

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other so

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you know I'm I'm inquisitive anyway and

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uh it just it just seemed that really

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sparked my interest for some reason and

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uh

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anyway I like flying on helicopters and

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I thought that's really a new Ploy there

501
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with these helicopters they're doing

502
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that right so uh

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anyway go back inside and I said well I

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guess the show's over and uh went back

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inside sat down picked up a book or

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something started reading it and

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watching some TV remember it used to go

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off at midnight and you'd get those

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really strange characters and everything

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on your TV and uh

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so I guess it was about 12 30 somewhere

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right in that time and the uh

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MCC phone or LCC phone went off in the

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flight Security controller's office and

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that's a direct line between the flight

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security controller and the missile

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combat group down below

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and uh when it went off it just it it's

519
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a phone that you it doesn't ring like a

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normal phone it just says answer me now

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you can't it won't stop until you pick

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it up so you have to pick it up and uh

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anyway I heard um

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the officer there telling um

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Bill Holloman he's assistant four at

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November five and I thought well that's

527
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weird we hardly ever got those that was

528
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an outer and inner Zone alarm and uh

529
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they're they're different you know than

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than the standard thing we go out when

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there's a bird or something flying

532
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through the antenna array or something

533
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like that

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so

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anyway we got our briefing and

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everything from the capsule crew and

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whenever it's that level of alarm uh

538
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back at Ellsworth uh you you have the

539
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Communication Center there that that

540
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really oversees

541
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it's WSC Wing security control they're

542
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like they like monitor any and all

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alarms going on or anything on base two

544
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so they have a dual purpose

545
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but anyway they were aware of it and

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they they of course gave us a safety

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briefing as well so

548
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we uh got all of our stuff together and

549
00:21:56,029 --> 00:21:54,000
our codes and our weapons and loaded up

550
00:22:00,350 --> 00:21:56,039
everything and it was about 9 to 13

551
00:22:01,730 --> 00:22:00,360
degrees outside and uh yeah we had f-154

552
00:22:04,549 --> 00:22:01,740
pickup trucks and they were just two

553
00:22:05,990 --> 00:22:04,559
wheel drive trucks and uh we had of

554
00:22:07,789 --> 00:22:06,000
course we had a front end loader a

555
00:22:09,710 --> 00:22:07,799
caterpillar front end loader on the site

556
00:22:11,510 --> 00:22:09,720
in case you know we needed to dig out of

557
00:22:14,270 --> 00:22:11,520
there which did happen a few times but

558
00:22:16,970 --> 00:22:14,280
uh not all the time but anyway

559
00:22:18,710 --> 00:22:16,980
um so we responded uh after our safety

560
00:22:21,169 --> 00:22:18,720
briefing and our and everything our

561
00:22:24,830 --> 00:22:21,179
travel time was probably about 12 or 14

562
00:22:27,289 --> 00:22:24,840
minutes from November 1 to November 5.

563
00:22:28,610 --> 00:22:27,299
and uh

564
00:22:30,710 --> 00:22:28,620
so we got in the vehicle and he's

565
00:22:32,570 --> 00:22:30,720
operating the vehicle he's a driver and

566
00:22:34,250 --> 00:22:32,580
we pull out of the gate go down to the

567
00:22:36,230 --> 00:22:34,260
first intersection which all these are

568
00:22:38,330 --> 00:22:36,240
clay roads out there that

569
00:22:40,430 --> 00:22:38,340
that um

570
00:22:42,350 --> 00:22:40,440
are just as they're some better than

571
00:22:44,570 --> 00:22:42,360
Highway roads you know I mean they they

572
00:22:47,270 --> 00:22:44,580
really maintain the roads and uh these

573
00:22:48,890 --> 00:22:47,280
clay roads so we take a take a left go

574
00:22:50,810 --> 00:22:48,900
to the next intersectional left and go

575
00:22:52,430 --> 00:22:50,820
off the highway 79 which is about four

576
00:22:54,830 --> 00:22:52,440
and a half miles away

577
00:22:56,510 --> 00:22:54,840
and as you're traveling 70 as you're

578
00:22:58,850 --> 00:22:56,520
traveling the dirt road or the Clay Road

579
00:23:01,490 --> 00:22:58,860
up to Highway 79 the road beds are

580
00:23:04,610 --> 00:23:01,500
elevated for snow runoff and water and

581
00:23:06,169 --> 00:23:04,620
what have you and uh and mind you you

582
00:23:08,149 --> 00:23:06,179
know you're at a mile high this is this

583
00:23:09,890 --> 00:23:08,159
is nothing but pure Prairie Land there

584
00:23:12,890 --> 00:23:09,900
and uh

585
00:23:14,510 --> 00:23:12,900
so as we rolled up to 79 I just looked

586
00:23:16,130 --> 00:23:14,520
over to my right and which would have

587
00:23:18,710 --> 00:23:16,140
been about the four o'clock position now

588
00:23:21,470 --> 00:23:18,720
as we rolled up on the highway and as I

589
00:23:26,450 --> 00:23:21,480
as we did I looked to my right and I see

590
00:23:29,330 --> 00:23:26,460
this really strange glow miles away but

591
00:23:30,230 --> 00:23:29,340
from that area of November 5 and I

592
00:23:32,090 --> 00:23:30,240
thought

593
00:23:34,010 --> 00:23:32,100
you got to be kidding me how strange is

594
00:23:36,649 --> 00:23:34,020
that you know you you know what's going

595
00:23:38,450 --> 00:23:36,659
on out in these by these missile sites

596
00:23:41,270 --> 00:23:38,460
normally because you you traversed them

597
00:23:43,310 --> 00:23:41,280
so much you check them so often and as

598
00:23:45,110 --> 00:23:43,320
soon as we made that that right turn on

599
00:23:47,690 --> 00:23:45,120
the Highway 79 which goes downhill

600
00:23:50,330 --> 00:23:47,700
toward Newell I told Michael I said dude

601
00:23:53,149 --> 00:23:50,340
I said just like that I said that's that

602
00:23:55,730 --> 00:23:53,159
object sitting on November 5. and he

603
00:23:57,409 --> 00:23:55,740
just says oh whatever man he didn't he

604
00:23:59,149 --> 00:23:57,419
just it just went right over him he

605
00:24:00,710 --> 00:23:59,159
didn't believe me so from that four

606
00:24:02,870 --> 00:24:00,720
o'clock position it now moved to about

607
00:24:04,789 --> 00:24:02,880
the two o'clock position visually

608
00:24:06,529 --> 00:24:04,799
and it was just pulsating well at the

609
00:24:08,870 --> 00:24:06,539
further we went down toward Newell it

610
00:24:10,549 --> 00:24:08,880
was downhill so I lost the side of that

611
00:24:13,730 --> 00:24:10,559
pulsation

612
00:24:16,789 --> 00:24:13,740
and we came to the stop sign in Newell

613
00:24:19,070 --> 00:24:16,799
on Ormond Road still there today and

614
00:24:21,049 --> 00:24:19,080
there's one stop sign and there's one

615
00:24:22,730 --> 00:24:21,059
stoplight in Newell and the stop lights

616
00:24:25,190 --> 00:24:22,740
straight ahead you take a right on

617
00:24:28,210 --> 00:24:25,200
Ormond Road toward November 5.

618
00:24:30,770 --> 00:24:28,220
and um population today

619
00:24:32,330 --> 00:24:30,780
624 or something population then was

620
00:24:35,330 --> 00:24:32,340
234.

621
00:24:38,630 --> 00:24:35,340
in 1977 yeah so it's a real small town

622
00:24:41,630 --> 00:24:38,640
but it's really nice people there and uh

623
00:24:43,490 --> 00:24:41,640
so we turn right and as we went out it

624
00:24:45,230 --> 00:24:43,500
was paved Road and about a mile and a

625
00:24:48,110 --> 00:24:45,240
half into it it drops back off on the

626
00:24:49,909 --> 00:24:48,120
plate but it dog legs to the left which

627
00:24:53,450 --> 00:24:49,919
is important I really couldn't see it

628
00:24:55,430 --> 00:24:53,460
until then but we dropped off of that

629
00:24:56,750 --> 00:24:55,440
pavement and on back onto the dirt and

630
00:24:59,029 --> 00:24:56,760
went to the left

631
00:25:02,750 --> 00:24:59,039
and their set this object on top of

632
00:25:06,169 --> 00:25:02,760
November 5. that dwarfed the site

633
00:25:10,330 --> 00:25:06,179
ten feet in the air no noise

634
00:25:12,970 --> 00:25:10,340
no hard edges no protrusions no engines

635
00:25:15,230 --> 00:25:12,980
nothing that I can even explain

636
00:25:16,730 --> 00:25:15,240
aeronautically how it could be doing

637
00:25:18,770 --> 00:25:16,740
what it's doing

638
00:25:22,430 --> 00:25:18,780
and we pulled up directly in front of

639
00:25:25,610 --> 00:25:22,440
that site in that object

640
00:25:28,070 --> 00:25:25,620
probably uh I guess the cattle gate

641
00:25:30,529 --> 00:25:28,080
which Ranchers have to keep their cows

642
00:25:31,610 --> 00:25:30,539
from from coming out onto the highway to

643
00:25:33,710 --> 00:25:31,620
the roads

644
00:25:35,450 --> 00:25:33,720
uh that's where we stopped at a 45

645
00:25:38,269 --> 00:25:35,460
degree angle which was a tactical

646
00:25:41,330 --> 00:25:38,279
position for the pickup truck so

647
00:25:43,850 --> 00:25:41,340
I was laughable today but uh that's what

648
00:25:47,210 --> 00:25:43,860
we did then but uh

649
00:25:49,250 --> 00:25:47,220
this object was so large that if you can

650
00:25:51,890 --> 00:25:49,260
picture a ball

651
00:25:55,130 --> 00:25:51,900
over a square area

652
00:25:56,630 --> 00:25:55,140
the diameter was so large really that

653
00:26:00,890 --> 00:25:56,640
the

654
00:26:04,250 --> 00:26:00,900
covered by it but

655
00:26:05,870 --> 00:26:04,260
the edges of the edges of that diameter

656
00:26:09,470 --> 00:26:05,880
were

657
00:26:11,090 --> 00:26:09,480
just not far away at all just 50 so feet

658
00:26:12,350 --> 00:26:11,100
I guess I don't know I mean it was just

659
00:26:15,110 --> 00:26:12,360
so large you couldn't see the top

660
00:26:16,190 --> 00:26:15,120
obviously you know if I'm far away you

661
00:26:17,630 --> 00:26:16,200
can see the top or the full

662
00:26:18,769 --> 00:26:17,640
circumference of it but underneath it

663
00:26:20,810 --> 00:26:18,779
you couldn't

664
00:26:24,169 --> 00:26:20,820
and um

665
00:26:25,850 --> 00:26:24,179
I don't know what came over me but it

666
00:26:27,830 --> 00:26:25,860
seemed as if

667
00:26:28,909 --> 00:26:27,840
I looked at Michael Johnson and he was

668
00:26:32,149 --> 00:26:28,919
like

669
00:26:34,190 --> 00:26:32,159
in some kind of a he was bathed in some

670
00:26:37,370 --> 00:26:34,200
kind of a light like a bluish glow

671
00:26:39,049 --> 00:26:37,380
bluish white glow behind him and he was

672
00:26:41,210 --> 00:26:39,059
on the steering wheel just like this

673
00:26:43,789 --> 00:26:41,220
just stuck to that steering wheel and I

674
00:26:49,250 --> 00:26:43,799
for some reason I knew

675
00:26:55,130 --> 00:26:50,990
and uh

676
00:26:57,710 --> 00:26:55,140
you know we're in full parkas flat pants

677
00:27:01,789 --> 00:26:57,720
mittens I had my had my mittens on I had

678
00:27:04,010 --> 00:27:01,799
one on and the other one off and uh

679
00:27:05,990 --> 00:27:04,020
anyway the only thing I knew to do I had

680
00:27:07,190 --> 00:27:06,000
to ask for Relief we couldn't breathe it

681
00:27:09,289 --> 00:27:07,200
was as if

682
00:27:15,470 --> 00:27:09,299
the interior of that vehicle is being

683
00:27:19,490 --> 00:27:18,049
I can smell the air every time I talk

684
00:27:21,830 --> 00:27:19,500
about this thing I can smell the air

685
00:27:22,730 --> 00:27:21,840
right now someone is like electrified or

686
00:27:24,110 --> 00:27:22,740
something

687
00:27:29,930 --> 00:27:24,120
uh

688
00:27:31,730 --> 00:27:29,940
to say about that but anyway I we had

689
00:27:33,110 --> 00:27:31,740
those old western mirrors on this on

690
00:27:35,210 --> 00:27:33,120
these vehicles those big aluminum

691
00:27:37,909 --> 00:27:35,220
mirrors and so I with my Mitten off on

692
00:27:40,070 --> 00:27:37,919
my right hand I pull myself out up onto

693
00:27:41,990 --> 00:27:40,080
the windowsill now you know I'm 22 years

694
00:27:43,070 --> 00:27:42,000
old and I'm in some of the best shape of

695
00:27:45,830 --> 00:27:43,080
my life

696
00:27:47,390 --> 00:27:45,840
and why I didn't get out I was literally

697
00:27:48,350 --> 00:27:47,400
afraid and my partner wouldn't say

698
00:27:50,390 --> 00:27:48,360
anything

699
00:27:52,909 --> 00:27:50,400
and I pulled myself out onto that

700
00:27:54,230 --> 00:27:52,919
windowsill and I took my Maglite and I

701
00:27:56,870 --> 00:27:54,240
held onto the bubble with my right

702
00:27:59,390 --> 00:27:56,880
knitting my left Mitten and I flashed

703
00:28:01,909 --> 00:27:59,400
this thing I just flashed my Maglite at

704
00:28:04,549 --> 00:28:01,919
it just now what what difference or what

705
00:28:08,330 --> 00:28:04,559
really did that mean that little that D

706
00:28:10,970 --> 00:28:08,340
cell Maglite to this object that's

707
00:28:14,750 --> 00:28:10,980
size of a Walmart building

708
00:28:15,649 --> 00:28:14,760
uh I flashed that light in no sequence

709
00:28:17,450 --> 00:28:15,659
again

710
00:28:20,269 --> 00:28:17,460
three or four times

711
00:28:22,070 --> 00:28:20,279
and it in a Slither Slither back down in

712
00:28:23,450 --> 00:28:22,080
that seat and I put my M16 between my

713
00:28:24,470 --> 00:28:23,460
legs and I just remember putting my head

714
00:28:25,909 --> 00:28:24,480
down

715
00:28:27,230 --> 00:28:25,919
and all of a sudden I could breathe

716
00:28:34,070 --> 00:28:27,240
again

717
00:28:36,769 --> 00:28:34,080
but it was labored but I could breathe

718
00:28:39,409 --> 00:28:36,779
and it seemed as if tunnel vision Came

719
00:28:41,390 --> 00:28:39,419
Upon me and I was just I was just going

720
00:28:44,149 --> 00:28:41,400
in like this

721
00:28:46,370 --> 00:28:44,159
and as I did I turned him a ride I felt

722
00:28:48,950 --> 00:28:46,380
such fear to my right because all you

723
00:28:51,289 --> 00:28:48,960
have is a piece of glass right

724
00:28:54,590 --> 00:28:51,299
I roll the window up

725
00:28:57,409 --> 00:28:54,600
and as I did I see these shadowy figures

726
00:28:59,090 --> 00:28:57,419
on my right side

727
00:29:01,789 --> 00:28:59,100
approaching me

728
00:29:04,070 --> 00:29:01,799
and what got my attention was

729
00:29:05,930 --> 00:29:04,080
um in the midsection of the one of the

730
00:29:08,690 --> 00:29:05,940
one being and they're not creatures

731
00:29:10,789 --> 00:29:08,700
they're beings and they're these these

732
00:29:12,649 --> 00:29:10,799
are beings this is no they're that

733
00:29:15,350 --> 00:29:12,659
they're a beings

734
00:29:17,630 --> 00:29:15,360
there was something in the waistband or

735
00:29:20,090 --> 00:29:17,640
some kind of a band that had a a

736
00:29:22,010 --> 00:29:20,100
yellowish glowing tip on it

737
00:29:24,110 --> 00:29:22,020
and then the taught there was a tall one

738
00:29:26,570 --> 00:29:24,120
it was four total

739
00:29:28,370 --> 00:29:26,580
the tall one in the back was

740
00:29:31,010 --> 00:29:28,380
substantially taller

741
00:29:33,409 --> 00:29:31,020
and had a different feature now I

742
00:29:35,870 --> 00:29:33,419
couldn't see it real clear

743
00:29:38,090 --> 00:29:35,880
I mean I I don't know how to describe

744
00:29:39,950 --> 00:29:38,100
this kind of vision but

745
00:29:41,630 --> 00:29:39,960
the three in the front looked identical

746
00:29:43,370 --> 00:29:41,640
or their Shadows weren't the same

747
00:29:45,950 --> 00:29:43,380
they're they're

748
00:29:48,409 --> 00:29:45,960
the way they look were the same but the

749
00:29:50,149 --> 00:29:48,419
one in the back he had this thing right

750
00:29:53,510 --> 00:29:50,159
here on his chest but it was at a really

751
00:29:57,649 --> 00:29:53,520
strange shape and it glowed and it stuck

752
00:29:59,810 --> 00:29:57,659
out it wasn't just in him it stuck out

753
00:30:04,310 --> 00:29:59,820
and then I close my eyes

754
00:30:07,430 --> 00:30:06,169
um

755
00:30:09,169 --> 00:30:07,440
I don't know what happened to Michael

756
00:30:10,549 --> 00:30:09,179
Johnson I don't know if anything was on

757
00:30:13,250 --> 00:30:10,559
that side of the vehicle or he saw

758
00:30:15,409 --> 00:30:13,260
anything he never indicated that he did

759
00:30:17,570 --> 00:30:15,419
he never he never spoke the last time

760
00:30:19,610 --> 00:30:17,580
that he spoke during all this up to this

761
00:30:22,070 --> 00:30:19,620
point was when he said whatever man up

762
00:30:24,110 --> 00:30:22,080
on Highway 79 when we first arrived on

763
00:30:25,909 --> 00:30:24,120
79

764
00:30:27,350 --> 00:30:25,919
I don't remember the radio going off or

765
00:30:31,789 --> 00:30:27,360
anything like that

766
00:30:36,409 --> 00:30:34,610
I opened my eyes and I'm in total

767
00:30:39,409 --> 00:30:36,419
blackness

768
00:30:45,230 --> 00:30:42,110
you walk into a um I don't know I I

769
00:30:47,810 --> 00:30:45,240
don't know just total blackness

770
00:30:50,029 --> 00:30:47,820
and uh

771
00:30:51,830 --> 00:30:50,039
I was trying to gather myself as to

772
00:30:54,649 --> 00:30:51,840
really what happened and where I was I

773
00:30:58,549 --> 00:30:54,659
and just everything about me and

774
00:31:01,010 --> 00:30:58,559
just being I guess and uh I reached down

775
00:31:04,130 --> 00:31:01,020
and I popped the door open

776
00:31:07,669 --> 00:31:04,140
and I stepped out and when I stepped out

777
00:31:10,610 --> 00:31:07,679
he said my vision started to come to me

778
00:31:13,490 --> 00:31:10,620
and uh I had on bunny boots which are an

779
00:31:15,049 --> 00:31:13,500
inflatable uh boot that you use in

780
00:31:17,570 --> 00:31:15,059
winter time to keep your feet warm

781
00:31:19,070 --> 00:31:17,580
especially in temperatures you know well

782
00:31:22,669 --> 00:31:19,080
below zero and use them on aircraft

783
00:31:25,190 --> 00:31:22,679
carriers that's a that's a issued item

784
00:31:26,510 --> 00:31:25,200
anyway I stepped out in mud and I

785
00:31:29,269 --> 00:31:26,520
couldn't figure out well the ground's

786
00:31:31,010 --> 00:31:29,279
frozen it's been you know below freezing

787
00:31:32,930 --> 00:31:31,020
for what a week and a half or something

788
00:31:35,990 --> 00:31:32,940
two weeks I don't really know

789
00:31:38,510 --> 00:31:36,000
and uh it was just very strange to step

790
00:31:40,490 --> 00:31:38,520
out in mud and now look as I looked all

791
00:31:42,289 --> 00:31:40,500
of a sudden this white wall comes into

792
00:31:44,149 --> 00:31:42,299
Focus

793
00:31:45,710 --> 00:31:44,159
it wasn't a wall like straight up and

794
00:31:49,070 --> 00:31:45,720
down you know like the ground and then

795
00:31:52,010 --> 00:31:49,080
straight up and down it was at an angle

796
00:31:53,330 --> 00:31:52,020
and as I as I looked to my right which

797
00:31:54,470 --> 00:31:53,340
would have been I would have been

798
00:31:56,930 --> 00:31:54,480
looking North

799
00:31:59,510 --> 00:31:56,940
it was as far as I could see when I

800
00:32:01,730 --> 00:31:59,520
looked the opposite direction to the

801
00:32:05,630 --> 00:32:01,740
South it was as far as I could see

802
00:32:07,669 --> 00:32:05,640
I still didn't know where that was and

803
00:32:09,049 --> 00:32:07,679
all of a sudden the radio cracked to

804
00:32:11,029 --> 00:32:09,059
life

805
00:32:13,490 --> 00:32:11,039
and I just kind of looked over just

806
00:32:15,889 --> 00:32:13,500
shaking my head I said where's November

807
00:32:17,450 --> 00:32:15,899
5 and then I said Michael you're going

808
00:32:19,310 --> 00:32:17,460
to get that

809
00:32:21,350 --> 00:32:19,320
he didn't answer me

810
00:32:23,930 --> 00:32:21,360
he was locked onto that steering wheel

811
00:32:26,090 --> 00:32:23,940
like he was paralyzed on that steering

812
00:32:28,130 --> 00:32:26,100
wheel and his eyes were just huge his

813
00:32:31,970 --> 00:32:28,140
eye he was breathing

814
00:32:34,430 --> 00:32:31,980
uh but he had nothing coming out of him

815
00:32:36,529 --> 00:32:34,440
as far as talking he just he wouldn't

816
00:32:38,630 --> 00:32:36,539
even he wouldn't even

817
00:32:40,490 --> 00:32:38,640
utter I mean he would nothing I couldn't

818
00:32:42,230 --> 00:32:40,500
get anything out of him I moved him I

819
00:32:44,570 --> 00:32:42,240
pushed him I did everything I could do

820
00:32:47,690 --> 00:32:44,580
to try to hey man what's wrong with you

821
00:32:50,149 --> 00:32:47,700
what's wrong with you and uh

822
00:32:52,430 --> 00:32:50,159
I couldn't get anything out of him I

823
00:32:54,529 --> 00:32:52,440
answered the radio and I and uh I was a

824
00:32:57,409 --> 00:32:54,539
senior Airman at the time you know uh

825
00:32:59,870 --> 00:32:57,419
called WSC was calling us and

826
00:33:02,029 --> 00:32:59,880
I said um senior in the woods I said

827
00:33:04,610 --> 00:33:02,039
it's November 1 I said uh

828
00:33:06,470 --> 00:33:04,620
go ahead CSC like that and uh they said

829
00:33:07,610 --> 00:33:06,480
what's your location and I just said sir

830
00:33:10,669 --> 00:33:07,620
I don't know

831
00:33:13,130 --> 00:33:10,679
and um I said my team leader I said he

832
00:33:14,570 --> 00:33:13,140
he is not responding he likes to ask me

833
00:33:15,769 --> 00:33:14,580
if he's conscious and I said yes eyes

834
00:33:18,289 --> 00:33:15,779
are wide open

835
00:33:19,850 --> 00:33:18,299
and um you know we went through that for

836
00:33:22,370 --> 00:33:19,860
a second because I need you to do one

837
00:33:24,529 --> 00:33:22,380
minute Security checks with me until we

838
00:33:27,470 --> 00:33:24,539
find you we're triangulating

839
00:33:29,090 --> 00:33:27,480
uh you know your location and uh of

840
00:33:31,490 --> 00:33:29,100
course I I wasn't familiar with that I'd

841
00:33:33,889 --> 00:33:31,500
heard about it and and you know in in

842
00:33:36,049 --> 00:33:33,899
training you know uh in security police

843
00:33:38,509 --> 00:33:36,059
but I'd never done it before him like I

844
00:33:40,370 --> 00:33:38,519
said I was just 22 years old but

845
00:33:42,230 --> 00:33:40,380
anyway

846
00:33:43,730 --> 00:33:42,240
so they were looking for us

847
00:33:45,470 --> 00:33:43,740
so I did just what he said in the

848
00:33:46,850 --> 00:33:45,480
meantime I tried to wake up Michael

849
00:33:48,889 --> 00:33:46,860
Johnson is still trying to figure out

850
00:33:51,049 --> 00:33:48,899
where we were why I wasn't standing in

851
00:33:52,610 --> 00:33:51,059
this mud which I'd gone around the

852
00:33:56,509 --> 00:33:52,620
vehicle now and

853
00:33:59,330 --> 00:33:56,519
the vehicle was pointing uh to the South

854
00:34:01,789 --> 00:33:59,340
and what was strange was that just

855
00:34:04,730 --> 00:34:01,799
outside that driver's side door maybe

856
00:34:07,310 --> 00:34:04,740
four feet directly away from it was a

857
00:34:08,810 --> 00:34:07,320
great big downhill into another lake or

858
00:34:10,849 --> 00:34:08,820
something I didn't know where we were to

859
00:34:12,470 --> 00:34:10,859
start with but it was a big huge Lake

860
00:34:14,149 --> 00:34:12,480
but it was frozen

861
00:34:16,550 --> 00:34:14,159
and I thought what do we how do we get

862
00:34:20,210 --> 00:34:16,560
here what are we doing here

863
00:34:25,730 --> 00:34:22,730
so I kept doing the security checks and

864
00:34:27,770 --> 00:34:25,740
finally um I I see these lights come

865
00:34:29,030 --> 00:34:27,780
over the horizon how they found us I

866
00:34:32,329 --> 00:34:29,040
still don't know how to do all that

867
00:34:34,010 --> 00:34:32,339
today but uh there was a sergeant Garza

868
00:34:35,629 --> 00:34:34,020
that approached me and uh that

869
00:34:38,030 --> 00:34:35,639
approached us first and there were two

870
00:34:39,889 --> 00:34:38,040
other vehicles so they had three backup

871
00:34:42,470 --> 00:34:39,899
alert teams looking for us

872
00:34:44,210 --> 00:34:42,480
and so that's six security policemen

873
00:34:47,450 --> 00:34:44,220
and um

874
00:34:49,550 --> 00:34:47,460
anyway as he is he pulled up he pulled

875
00:34:50,750 --> 00:34:49,560
maybe 20 yards from where we were

876
00:34:52,329 --> 00:34:50,760
located and he got out and he walked

877
00:34:54,290 --> 00:34:52,339
through the lights and I saw him coming

878
00:34:56,389 --> 00:34:54,300
and uh

879
00:34:59,089 --> 00:34:56,399
our our lights I couldn't even our

880
00:35:01,310 --> 00:34:59,099
lights were off I mean I my our vehicle

881
00:35:02,210 --> 00:35:01,320
was off and

882
00:35:04,190 --> 00:35:02,220
um

883
00:35:06,589 --> 00:35:04,200
I said hey Sergeant guards I said what's

884
00:35:07,550 --> 00:35:06,599
going on you know I mean you almost make

885
00:35:09,770 --> 00:35:07,560
you feel like you've done something

886
00:35:11,810 --> 00:35:09,780
wrong that's that's that's what they

887
00:35:13,910 --> 00:35:11,820
always try to do to make you you did

888
00:35:15,170 --> 00:35:13,920
something wrong well I knew something

889
00:35:16,849 --> 00:35:15,180
was wrong because I think I'm sure

890
00:35:18,410 --> 00:35:16,859
didn't go I didn't strike that site as I

891
00:35:20,690 --> 00:35:18,420
was supposed to and it was a set four

892
00:35:22,910 --> 00:35:20,700
which was a serious alarm

893
00:35:24,109 --> 00:35:22,920
strike means respond and find out what

894
00:35:25,910 --> 00:35:24,119
the cause was

895
00:35:27,410 --> 00:35:25,920
I never got to go on the site I never

896
00:35:28,849 --> 00:35:27,420
left the vehicle

897
00:35:31,550 --> 00:35:28,859
and um

898
00:35:32,870 --> 00:35:31,560
my job was to go on to the facility do

899
00:35:35,510 --> 00:35:32,880
an internal

900
00:35:37,490 --> 00:35:35,520
you know patrol around the inside of the

901
00:35:39,230 --> 00:35:37,500
fence go go down below ground on a soft

902
00:35:41,630 --> 00:35:39,240
support building and see if anybody's

903
00:35:43,430 --> 00:35:41,640
there or what happened but the alarm was

904
00:35:46,310 --> 00:35:43,440
in another plug that goes down to the

905
00:35:48,170 --> 00:35:46,320
missile uh which we don't have we have

906
00:35:50,270 --> 00:35:48,180
access to just one part of it you can

907
00:35:51,650 --> 00:35:50,280
nobody has access to all of it

908
00:35:53,750 --> 00:35:51,660
but anyway he approached me he said

909
00:35:55,250 --> 00:35:53,760
Mario he says I'm he goes he just sit

910
00:35:57,170 --> 00:35:55,260
there he said I can't talk to you about

911
00:35:58,790 --> 00:35:57,180
it we're here to take you back November

912
00:36:01,609 --> 00:35:58,800
1.

913
00:36:03,890 --> 00:36:01,619
I said oh oh okay I said well man I said

914
00:36:06,190 --> 00:36:03,900
I don't even know what happened he said

915
00:36:09,970 --> 00:36:06,200
he wouldn't he wouldn't say anything

916
00:36:13,010 --> 00:36:09,980
so and at this point this is where

917
00:36:15,410 --> 00:36:13,020
unidentified said they relieved us of

918
00:36:17,990 --> 00:36:15,420
our weapons that never happened they

919
00:36:20,569 --> 00:36:18,000
never took our weapons and I found that

920
00:36:21,710 --> 00:36:20,579
as an insult to be honest with you you

921
00:36:22,310 --> 00:36:21,720
know

922
00:36:24,170 --> 00:36:22,320
um

923
00:36:26,210 --> 00:36:24,180
but I guess that's production of some

924
00:36:28,790 --> 00:36:26,220
kind that I didn't agree with should

925
00:36:31,069 --> 00:36:28,800
have asked me that first but um that's

926
00:36:33,710 --> 00:36:31,079
TV unfortunately yeah yeah that's it's

927
00:36:35,510 --> 00:36:33,720
full of crap man but I uh and that that

928
00:36:36,950 --> 00:36:35,520
never mind I won't say anymore but

929
00:36:38,990 --> 00:36:36,960
anyway

930
00:36:41,150 --> 00:36:39,000
um

931
00:36:42,770 --> 00:36:41,160
I asked him I said I need some help with

932
00:36:44,450 --> 00:36:42,780
Michael Johnson I said I don't know he's

933
00:36:45,950 --> 00:36:44,460
in a catatonic State and I don't even

934
00:36:47,450 --> 00:36:45,960
know what the word truly meant back then

935
00:36:49,609 --> 00:36:47,460
but I do now

936
00:36:51,109 --> 00:36:49,619
and we unbelted him we didn't have

937
00:36:53,690 --> 00:36:51,119
shoulder harnesses we just had seat

938
00:36:56,450 --> 00:36:53,700
belts at that time in 77 and he's F-150

939
00:36:58,250 --> 00:36:56,460
Fords slid him over to the passenger

940
00:37:00,890 --> 00:36:58,260
side belted him back in got in the

941
00:37:05,089 --> 00:37:00,900
vehicle and I to this day I didn't know

942
00:37:06,730 --> 00:37:05,099
exactly where we were you know and uh

943
00:37:09,770 --> 00:37:06,740
at that time

944
00:37:11,990 --> 00:37:09,780
and about 15 minutes later we pulled up

945
00:37:13,970 --> 00:37:12,000
November 1 and we were driving through

946
00:37:16,130 --> 00:37:13,980
areas that I just I didn't even know

947
00:37:17,690 --> 00:37:16,140
about you know and and that was part of

948
00:37:19,609 --> 00:37:17,700
my area and I've just never been in it

949
00:37:22,190 --> 00:37:19,619
before there's no missile sites where we

950
00:37:23,750 --> 00:37:22,200
were let's put it that way

951
00:37:26,270 --> 00:37:23,760
and uh

952
00:37:27,890 --> 00:37:26,280
so we get to November 1 and they're the

953
00:37:29,420 --> 00:37:27,900
flight Chief the assistant flight Chief

954
00:37:31,010 --> 00:37:29,430
and others are there

955
00:37:32,870 --> 00:37:31,020
[Music]

956
00:37:34,510 --> 00:37:32,880
questioning us and I immediately had to

957
00:37:36,950 --> 00:37:34,520
have help with Michael Johnson they

958
00:37:39,829 --> 00:37:36,960
immediately separated us

959
00:37:42,650 --> 00:37:39,839
and um they off-duty capsule crew they

960
00:37:43,910 --> 00:37:42,660
were upstairs and they were assisting in

961
00:37:45,770 --> 00:37:43,920
talking trying to talk to Michael

962
00:37:47,510 --> 00:37:45,780
Johnson and they took they took me into

963
00:37:50,750 --> 00:37:47,520
the day room took him in a back bedroom

964
00:37:52,730 --> 00:37:50,760
because he was non-responsive verbally

965
00:37:54,650 --> 00:37:52,740
I mean they just he would walk but they

966
00:37:56,030 --> 00:37:54,660
just led him to where he was going I

967
00:37:58,970 --> 00:37:56,040
remember watching him walk through the

968
00:38:00,890 --> 00:37:58,980
uh uh

969
00:38:03,349 --> 00:38:00,900
kitchen area you know where our dining

970
00:38:05,569 --> 00:38:03,359
area back in the back hallway

971
00:38:07,430 --> 00:38:05,579
and uh so I sat down and they started

972
00:38:10,069 --> 00:38:07,440
asking me questions and I you know and I

973
00:38:12,050 --> 00:38:10,079
said well I said that object that I saw

974
00:38:13,910 --> 00:38:12,060
last night I said that's was that that

975
00:38:15,410 --> 00:38:13,920
was at November 5. I remember saying

976
00:38:16,970 --> 00:38:15,420
that

977
00:38:18,050 --> 00:38:16,980
and um

978
00:38:19,670 --> 00:38:18,060
of course that went right over

979
00:38:22,010 --> 00:38:19,680
everybody's heads you know the only

980
00:38:25,190 --> 00:38:22,020
person I really knew about it was um

981
00:38:27,770 --> 00:38:25,200
was uh Bill Holliman and he was a flight

982
00:38:30,650 --> 00:38:27,780
security controller and he didn't come

983
00:38:31,970 --> 00:38:30,660
out and see it but anyway so they

984
00:38:34,010 --> 00:38:31,980
started asking me questions I answered

985
00:38:35,210 --> 00:38:34,020
questions for probably 20 30 minutes my

986
00:38:37,970 --> 00:38:35,220
flight Chief was there the assistant

987
00:38:39,650 --> 00:38:37,980
flight Chief was back with Michael

988
00:38:41,630 --> 00:38:39,660
and I just told him everything that I

989
00:38:44,210 --> 00:38:41,640
saw and what I experienced and then you

990
00:38:46,250 --> 00:38:44,220
know what I did with the lights and how

991
00:38:47,329 --> 00:38:46,260
I did that and

992
00:38:49,849 --> 00:38:47,339
and

993
00:38:51,950 --> 00:38:49,859
never responded to this never went on to

994
00:38:54,470 --> 00:38:51,960
the site as I was supposed to

995
00:38:57,050 --> 00:38:54,480
which had to create a problem that had

996
00:38:58,970 --> 00:38:57,060
to be that had to be a problem so they

997
00:39:00,710 --> 00:38:58,980
had they had to go find out what caused

998
00:39:02,390 --> 00:39:00,720
that at that facility through somewhere

999
00:39:04,970 --> 00:39:02,400
else and I never found out who did it

1000
00:39:08,089 --> 00:39:04,980
somebody had to go strike that site

1001
00:39:12,410 --> 00:39:11,089
so I just had to get away from I just I

1002
00:39:14,690 --> 00:39:12,420
just said hey I need to go to the

1003
00:39:16,190 --> 00:39:14,700
restroom and I didn't I just I just

1004
00:39:18,109 --> 00:39:16,200
needed to get away from everybody for a

1005
00:39:20,150 --> 00:39:18,119
minute because they were just pounding

1006
00:39:23,030 --> 00:39:20,160
me with questions and and I I couldn't

1007
00:39:25,250 --> 00:39:23,040
think fast enough and I just I was just

1008
00:39:27,109 --> 00:39:25,260
just in disarray I think I I wasn't

1009
00:39:29,329 --> 00:39:27,119
myself and um

1010
00:39:31,990 --> 00:39:29,339
I went into the restroom it's really

1011
00:39:35,270 --> 00:39:32,000
strange because I uh

1012
00:39:36,950 --> 00:39:35,280
I was I went I wanted this one stall it

1013
00:39:37,970 --> 00:39:36,960
was two stalls in this restroom and I

1014
00:39:39,410 --> 00:39:37,980
was just out there and I couldn't

1015
00:39:40,849 --> 00:39:39,420
believe it the first thing I did when I

1016
00:39:42,710 --> 00:39:40,859
got to the site was I went in that stall

1017
00:39:44,089 --> 00:39:42,720
I went well it's all torn up right now

1018
00:39:45,890 --> 00:39:44,099
but

1019
00:39:47,510 --> 00:39:45,900
I just had to walk in that bathroom

1020
00:39:50,150 --> 00:39:47,520
because I mean that was a really strange

1021
00:39:52,430 --> 00:39:50,160
time but I went in there and sat down on

1022
00:39:53,930 --> 00:39:52,440
top of the toilet just sat there fully

1023
00:39:57,950 --> 00:39:53,940
uniformed everything

1024
00:40:00,530 --> 00:39:57,960
and uh just held my head in my hands

1025
00:40:01,790 --> 00:40:00,540
and all of a sudden

1026
00:40:04,430 --> 00:40:01,800
um

1027
00:40:07,190 --> 00:40:04,440
I felt as if I was leaving my body

1028
00:40:09,589 --> 00:40:07,200
and I was leaving it going going I

1029
00:40:11,810 --> 00:40:09,599
thought I was dying I guess and um

1030
00:40:13,730 --> 00:40:11,820
I went I was going out the top of my

1031
00:40:14,750 --> 00:40:13,740
head down through my stomach and out of

1032
00:40:17,089 --> 00:40:14,760
my feet

1033
00:40:19,130 --> 00:40:17,099
literally I mean I knew the path I was

1034
00:40:21,470 --> 00:40:19,140
taking and how I've never heard of

1035
00:40:23,210 --> 00:40:21,480
anything like that before about anything

1036
00:40:25,130 --> 00:40:23,220
like that before

1037
00:40:27,710 --> 00:40:25,140
uh

1038
00:40:30,349 --> 00:40:27,720
I I didn't complete whatever whatever

1039
00:40:33,170 --> 00:40:30,359
was happening to me because I opened my

1040
00:40:36,650 --> 00:40:33,180
eyes and I see these four furry feet

1041
00:40:40,089 --> 00:40:36,660
walking by the stall door it was a

1042
00:40:47,210 --> 00:40:44,390
and uh and I and I said uh I said hey

1043
00:40:50,150 --> 00:40:47,220
man I said hey boy or whatever and then

1044
00:40:51,650 --> 00:40:50,160
the law enforcement guy which is the

1045
00:40:55,370 --> 00:40:51,660
other side of security police is law

1046
00:40:57,530 --> 00:40:55,380
enforcement Ellie Ellie and SPS he goes

1047
00:40:58,970 --> 00:40:57,540
hey Mario I said I said man my bag's out

1048
00:41:00,530 --> 00:40:58,980
there in the day room he said oh we

1049
00:41:01,849 --> 00:41:00,540
already checked it and he said it's all

1050
00:41:03,290 --> 00:41:01,859
good I just want to come check on you

1051
00:41:04,310 --> 00:41:03,300
how you doing you know and I said I

1052
00:41:07,069 --> 00:41:04,320
don't even know

1053
00:41:08,750 --> 00:41:07,079
and I didn't relate to him what you know

1054
00:41:10,069 --> 00:41:08,760
I was feeling right then but I was glad

1055
00:41:12,530 --> 00:41:10,079
he came in there because I don't know

1056
00:41:14,750 --> 00:41:12,540
how far that could have taken me you

1057
00:41:17,630 --> 00:41:14,760
know because really I honestly felt as

1058
00:41:20,030 --> 00:41:17,640
if I was leaving my body

1059
00:41:22,430 --> 00:41:20,040
and um

1060
00:41:25,130 --> 00:41:22,440
I mean even my vision changed things got

1061
00:41:26,510 --> 00:41:25,140
super super light I mean bright and

1062
00:41:29,630 --> 00:41:26,520
light you know

1063
00:41:31,910 --> 00:41:29,640
but that was a really strange thing but

1064
00:41:33,950 --> 00:41:31,920
um so anyway we were there for probably

1065
00:41:36,410 --> 00:41:33,960
another hour hour and 15 minutes and

1066
00:41:38,030 --> 00:41:36,420
they had they had another arm Response

1067
00:41:40,250 --> 00:41:38,040
Team come out I guess from Ellsworth

1068
00:41:42,230 --> 00:41:40,260
they relieve us because you know it has

1069
00:41:44,810 --> 00:41:42,240
to be staff no matter what mission one

1070
00:41:46,250 --> 00:41:44,820
right so you know you have to have six

1071
00:41:48,230 --> 00:41:46,260
Security Police you can't just send two

1072
00:41:50,870 --> 00:41:48,240
away and um so

1073
00:41:52,970 --> 00:41:50,880
without replacement so our Elite came

1074
00:41:55,609 --> 00:41:52,980
and um

1075
00:41:57,290 --> 00:41:55,619
we were escorted back to the Bay so he

1076
00:41:59,930 --> 00:41:57,300
rode with the assistant flight Chief and

1077
00:42:03,410 --> 00:41:59,940
I wrote with uh Sergeant my sergeant

1078
00:42:05,870 --> 00:42:03,420
Gray back to Ellsworth and uh when we

1079
00:42:06,829 --> 00:42:05,880
got to Ellsworth we went to the uh sataf

1080
00:42:09,950 --> 00:42:06,839
building which was our security

1081
00:42:12,470 --> 00:42:09,960
operations building and CSC worked out

1082
00:42:14,810 --> 00:42:12,480
of that building in a pardon facility

1083
00:42:17,930 --> 00:42:14,820
and directly to Colonel spraker's office

1084
00:42:20,810 --> 00:42:17,940
which he was on uh my squadron commander

1085
00:42:24,230 --> 00:42:20,820
of the time uh base commander was there

1086
00:42:27,230 --> 00:42:24,240
and uh there was a flight Chief there of

1087
00:42:29,870 --> 00:42:27,240
some of another of another flight and uh

1088
00:42:31,370 --> 00:42:29,880
from a different area and uh because it

1089
00:42:33,290 --> 00:42:31,380
wasn't just my incident that there were

1090
00:42:35,870 --> 00:42:33,300
other incidents out there too but uh

1091
00:42:37,190 --> 00:42:35,880
anyway I guess they weren't a full

1092
00:42:39,829 --> 00:42:37,200
debrief on

1093
00:42:43,069 --> 00:42:39,839
on all that was going on but anyway

1094
00:42:47,510 --> 00:42:43,079
um OSI was there and there was also

1095
00:42:49,970 --> 00:42:47,520
another man in a suit with a with a hat

1096
00:42:51,530 --> 00:42:49,980
and uh I didn't I wasn't introduced to

1097
00:42:53,390 --> 00:42:51,540
any of these people I just just the

1098
00:42:57,109 --> 00:42:53,400
military people I knew but there was a

1099
00:42:59,450 --> 00:42:57,119
young OSI trainee there and um named

1100
00:43:01,849 --> 00:42:59,460
Richard Dodie and he's appeared on

1101
00:43:03,470 --> 00:43:01,859
several of these shows and I've been

1102
00:43:06,730 --> 00:43:03,480
trying to contact Richard Doty because

1103
00:43:11,569 --> 00:43:09,410
yeah Not only was he in my interview but

1104
00:43:13,790 --> 00:43:11,579
he also went to the flight surgeon's

1105
00:43:16,790 --> 00:43:13,800
office after I arrived there

1106
00:43:19,550 --> 00:43:16,800
so medically he was there

1107
00:43:23,390 --> 00:43:19,560
and in the very beginning he was there

1108
00:43:25,670 --> 00:43:23,400
just as an observer I guess I don't know

1109
00:43:26,750 --> 00:43:25,680
but he had an officer that was you know

1110
00:43:29,690 --> 00:43:26,760
over him

1111
00:43:31,609 --> 00:43:29,700
and uh so I've tried emailing him I've

1112
00:43:34,010 --> 00:43:31,619
tried texting him I've tried calling

1113
00:43:35,870 --> 00:43:34,020
this guy everything possible I tried to

1114
00:43:37,370 --> 00:43:35,880
go through Linda Moulton Howe I'll try

1115
00:43:38,630 --> 00:43:37,380
to everybody that I've come in contact

1116
00:43:41,210 --> 00:43:38,640
with us said I need to speak with

1117
00:43:44,270 --> 00:43:41,220
Richard Doty I can't get him anywhere

1118
00:43:46,849 --> 00:43:44,280
wow that name is Infamous in the UFO

1119
00:43:49,849 --> 00:43:46,859
world I uh that that really took me by

1120
00:43:54,290 --> 00:43:49,859
surprise Mario I'm sorry I wow

1121
00:43:56,750 --> 00:43:54,300
um the fact that he won't answer me

1122
00:43:58,130 --> 00:43:56,760
and I and I wonder why I never did

1123
00:44:00,950 --> 00:43:58,140
anything to him never really knew him

1124
00:44:02,990 --> 00:44:00,960
but he was there by God he's one person

1125
00:44:04,849 --> 00:44:03,000
that was there and then there was some

1126
00:44:07,010 --> 00:44:04,859
other incidents later which he talked

1127
00:44:10,069 --> 00:44:07,020
about uh but he knows of my incident in

1128
00:44:11,390 --> 00:44:10,079
77. mine in Michael Johnson's and I

1129
00:44:12,829 --> 00:44:11,400
would really like to have that backup

1130
00:44:14,930 --> 00:44:12,839
because we can't find Michael Johnson

1131
00:44:18,349 --> 00:44:14,940
anywhere and there's been substantial

1132
00:44:20,210 --> 00:44:18,359
monies spent investigations trying just

1133
00:44:21,650 --> 00:44:20,220
trying to find him

1134
00:44:24,589 --> 00:44:21,660
now I thought he said he was from

1135
00:44:26,809 --> 00:44:24,599
Chicago Illinois but uh uh we haven't

1136
00:44:30,349 --> 00:44:26,819
had any luck

1137
00:44:32,150 --> 00:44:30,359
locating him no in any in any media you

1138
00:44:34,670 --> 00:44:32,160
know I mean every platform there is I've

1139
00:44:37,130 --> 00:44:34,680
gone I've joined them to get it out

1140
00:44:38,630 --> 00:44:37,140
there even together we served and other

1141
00:44:40,190 --> 00:44:38,640
friends of mine that may have known him

1142
00:44:42,650 --> 00:44:40,200
that I served with

1143
00:44:45,410 --> 00:44:42,660
gotcha uh two questions for you Mario

1144
00:44:46,970 --> 00:44:45,420
before we move on if that's all right uh

1145
00:44:49,790 --> 00:44:46,980
I know

1146
00:44:51,829 --> 00:44:49,800
um so after this debriefing uh which

1147
00:44:54,589 --> 00:44:51,839
that is quite a room of individuals to

1148
00:44:56,510 --> 00:44:54,599
be debriefing too uh anymore there are a

1149
00:45:00,230 --> 00:44:56,520
few more there dude okay

1150
00:45:01,309 --> 00:45:00,240
um my first question for that is uh were

1151
00:45:03,710 --> 00:45:01,319
you told

1152
00:45:06,170 --> 00:45:03,720
to be quiet about this we always hear

1153
00:45:08,150 --> 00:45:06,180
about that in my second question I

1154
00:45:10,430 --> 00:45:08,160
believe it was unidentified that said

1155
00:45:12,650 --> 00:45:10,440
that you did speak to Mario or excuse me

1156
00:45:15,290 --> 00:45:12,660
you spoke to yourself you did speak to

1157
00:45:17,990 --> 00:45:15,300
Michael Johnson one time after the event

1158
00:45:19,790 --> 00:45:18,000
okay

1159
00:45:22,370 --> 00:45:19,800
um so first question were you told to be

1160
00:45:24,109 --> 00:45:22,380
silent about this and second what was

1161
00:45:25,670 --> 00:45:24,119
said between you and Michael after the

1162
00:45:27,589 --> 00:45:25,680
event if you don't mind me asking well

1163
00:45:30,050 --> 00:45:27,599
that's there's a two-week Span in there

1164
00:45:32,150 --> 00:45:30,060
and uh if I can go from the Commander's

1165
00:45:34,069 --> 00:45:32,160
office when that was finished talking

1166
00:45:36,050 --> 00:45:34,079
about per se

1167
00:45:39,950 --> 00:45:36,060
I had to uh

1168
00:45:42,890 --> 00:45:39,960
write a preliminary report on an air on

1169
00:45:44,630 --> 00:45:42,900
a security police blotter which you know

1170
00:45:46,550 --> 00:45:44,640
Back Then There Was You know we didn't

1171
00:45:48,290 --> 00:45:46,560
have any computers or anything like that

1172
00:45:50,870 --> 00:45:48,300
everything was done by a typewriter but

1173
00:45:53,270 --> 00:45:50,880
I hand wrote on this form

1174
00:45:56,089 --> 00:45:53,280
and it was three pages and of course it

1175
00:45:59,630 --> 00:45:56,099
it it makes three copies so you have to

1176
00:46:01,970 --> 00:45:59,640
use a number two skillcraft pins they

1177
00:46:03,650 --> 00:46:01,980
mandate a number two skillcraft pin of

1178
00:46:05,390 --> 00:46:03,660
course you can take departure M16 with

1179
00:46:07,730 --> 00:46:05,400
it and everything else but that's a

1180
00:46:09,290 --> 00:46:07,740
number two skill craft in Black that I

1181
00:46:12,170 --> 00:46:09,300
had to use for that report so it was

1182
00:46:13,309 --> 00:46:12,180
about three pages and then uh from that

1183
00:46:14,990 --> 00:46:13,319
point then I went to the flight

1184
00:46:17,210 --> 00:46:15,000
surgeon's office and then that

1185
00:46:21,230 --> 00:46:17,220
examination took about an hour hour and

1186
00:46:23,450 --> 00:46:21,240
50 minutes maybe uh

1187
00:46:25,970 --> 00:46:23,460
and Richard Doty was there for that too

1188
00:46:27,290 --> 00:46:25,980
as was the guy in the Hat and the suit

1189
00:46:29,690 --> 00:46:27,300
and um

1190
00:46:31,190 --> 00:46:29,700
a couple of other officers and a nurse

1191
00:46:33,290 --> 00:46:31,200
they were I think there were five people

1192
00:46:36,650 --> 00:46:33,300
there total but Richard Doty was there

1193
00:46:40,490 --> 00:46:36,660
for that also and um during the years of

1194
00:46:42,050 --> 00:46:40,500
nose eyes throat uh you know normal

1195
00:46:43,849 --> 00:46:42,060
stuff check they didn't take blood from

1196
00:46:45,950 --> 00:46:43,859
me which I was which I was kind of

1197
00:46:49,250 --> 00:46:45,960
surprised but I guess it was no reason

1198
00:46:52,490 --> 00:46:49,260
to but um

1199
00:46:54,410 --> 00:46:52,500
they did take the flight surgeon said um

1200
00:46:55,609 --> 00:46:54,420
he goes I need to take a couple of skin

1201
00:46:59,089 --> 00:46:55,619
samples

1202
00:47:00,589 --> 00:46:59,099
and that just totally took me by you

1203
00:47:02,690 --> 00:47:00,599
know by surprise I said what do you mean

1204
00:47:04,430 --> 00:47:02,700
skin samples he said well your face is

1205
00:47:05,930 --> 00:47:04,440
burned on the right side

1206
00:47:08,270 --> 00:47:05,940
well that made sense because you know my

1207
00:47:11,329 --> 00:47:08,280
parade comes down in a certain way you

1208
00:47:13,250 --> 00:47:11,339
know so but it makes sense

1209
00:47:15,530 --> 00:47:13,260
and then my right the back of my right

1210
00:47:18,530 --> 00:47:15,540
hand was burned where I didn't have a

1211
00:47:21,290 --> 00:47:18,540
mitten on so right above my right eye he

1212
00:47:22,670 --> 00:47:21,300
uh he took a skin sample from up here I

1213
00:47:23,990 --> 00:47:22,680
think he took more than one put a small

1214
00:47:26,450 --> 00:47:24,000
Band-Aid up there

1215
00:47:28,190 --> 00:47:26,460
and then he took some off the back of my

1216
00:47:29,150 --> 00:47:28,200
right hand around these knuckle areas

1217
00:47:31,010 --> 00:47:29,160
right here

1218
00:47:32,210 --> 00:47:31,020
and I don't even know a sunburned now I

1219
00:47:34,250 --> 00:47:32,220
felt that the next day in the next

1220
00:47:36,230 --> 00:47:34,260
couple days but of course being from

1221
00:47:37,730 --> 00:47:36,240
Tampa Florida

1222
00:47:40,130 --> 00:47:37,740
I hadn't been to the beach in a long

1223
00:47:41,809 --> 00:47:40,140
time so you know when you're living in

1224
00:47:44,510 --> 00:47:41,819
South Dakota you just seem to lose that

1225
00:47:46,010 --> 00:47:44,520
resiliency and you will soon burn so

1226
00:47:48,470 --> 00:47:46,020
anyway

1227
00:47:49,730 --> 00:47:48,480
um so they took those skin samples and

1228
00:47:51,829 --> 00:47:49,740
um or he did

1229
00:47:54,050 --> 00:47:51,839
put them in put them into two separate

1230
00:47:56,210 --> 00:47:54,060
vials and then they released me to go

1231
00:47:57,829 --> 00:47:56,220
back to the Commander's office which I

1232
00:47:59,809 --> 00:47:57,839
had a further debrief and then I was

1233
00:48:01,670 --> 00:47:59,819
told you know could not discuss this

1234
00:48:03,230 --> 00:48:01,680
with anybody and at the time I was

1235
00:48:05,569 --> 00:48:03,240
working on November 1 and had been there

1236
00:48:06,410 --> 00:48:05,579
for several years

1237
00:48:09,530 --> 00:48:06,420
um

1238
00:48:12,349 --> 00:48:09,540
the other thing was they moved me from

1239
00:48:14,150 --> 00:48:12,359
November 1 to kilo one which was further

1240
00:48:17,030 --> 00:48:14,160
out to the West toward almost the

1241
00:48:20,690 --> 00:48:17,040
Wyoming border and November was still

1242
00:48:22,069 --> 00:48:20,700
part of that of that uh

1243
00:48:25,370 --> 00:48:22,079
uh

1244
00:48:28,130 --> 00:48:25,380
configuration of course but it was that

1245
00:48:30,650 --> 00:48:28,140
was all the 68th area you had the 68th

1246
00:48:32,510 --> 00:48:30,660
67th and 66 area all the way down to the

1247
00:48:34,550 --> 00:48:32,520
Badlands

1248
00:48:36,410 --> 00:48:34,560
um

1249
00:48:38,450 --> 00:48:36,420
but anyway so I worked there with a guy

1250
00:48:41,690 --> 00:48:38,460
named Mark Wade but um he's a good

1251
00:48:44,809 --> 00:48:41,700
friend of mine but two weeks later I'm

1252
00:48:48,770 --> 00:48:44,819
in an apartment and and uh Rapid City is

1253
00:48:50,690 --> 00:48:48,780
where I lived and um Michael Johnson who

1254
00:48:52,910 --> 00:48:50,700
I as I said I've never known before he

1255
00:48:55,609 --> 00:48:52,920
knocked on my door I didn't I had no

1256
00:48:57,170 --> 00:48:55,619
idea and opened the door I said Michael

1257
00:48:58,490 --> 00:48:57,180
I said man it's good to see you because

1258
00:48:59,990 --> 00:48:58,500
I hadn't seen him since that happened

1259
00:49:02,210 --> 00:49:00,000
and hadn't talked to him and I think he

1260
00:49:03,950 --> 00:49:02,220
lives in the barracks on base

1261
00:49:06,290 --> 00:49:03,960
and he said man I just have to come talk

1262
00:49:10,010 --> 00:49:06,300
to you about what we saw and I said by

1263
00:49:11,930 --> 00:49:10,020
all means come on in so he sat down and

1264
00:49:15,290 --> 00:49:11,940
right away the first thing he did I gave

1265
00:49:17,690 --> 00:49:15,300
him some paper you know just a nine by

1266
00:49:20,390 --> 00:49:17,700
11 or 8 by 11 note sheet and I said

1267
00:49:22,550 --> 00:49:20,400
here's a pencil and a pencil or you want

1268
00:49:23,990 --> 00:49:22,560
a pen I said you sit here and I'm going

1269
00:49:26,630 --> 00:49:24,000
to go sit over there in the dining room

1270
00:49:28,970 --> 00:49:26,640
table and I said let's draw what we saw

1271
00:49:29,870 --> 00:49:28,980
and we both Drew basically the same

1272
00:49:32,030 --> 00:49:29,880
thing

1273
00:49:33,170 --> 00:49:32,040
and he said he didn't know what happened

1274
00:49:35,270 --> 00:49:33,180
to him

1275
00:49:36,010 --> 00:49:35,280
but whatever it was it just took him

1276
00:49:38,930 --> 00:49:36,020
over

1277
00:49:41,270 --> 00:49:38,940
you know he didn't say if he saw anyone

1278
00:49:44,210 --> 00:49:41,280
he didn't say or soybean or anything he

1279
00:49:45,829 --> 00:49:44,220
never said that to me but he said he had

1280
00:49:47,750 --> 00:49:45,839
never seen anything like that and he was

1281
00:49:49,849 --> 00:49:47,760
scared literally to death

1282
00:49:52,069 --> 00:49:49,859
and I said did you hear me talking to

1283
00:49:54,890 --> 00:49:52,079
you he said no

1284
00:49:56,690 --> 00:49:54,900
so you know that's the way that went

1285
00:50:00,410 --> 00:49:56,700
basically and um

1286
00:50:02,569 --> 00:50:00,420
we visited for about an hour and uh and

1287
00:50:04,069 --> 00:50:02,579
then he left and that's the last time I

1288
00:50:07,130 --> 00:50:04,079
ever saw him I heard from him again now

1289
00:50:08,450 --> 00:50:07,140
I did have his address where he was from

1290
00:50:10,970 --> 00:50:08,460
that's why I came up with Chicago

1291
00:50:13,550 --> 00:50:10,980
Illinois and I thought I'd placed it in

1292
00:50:16,609 --> 00:50:13,560
my Bible but I have moved probably

1293
00:50:18,530 --> 00:50:16,619
several hundred times since 1977.

1294
00:50:20,030 --> 00:50:18,540
and gone overseas and everything else

1295
00:50:21,349 --> 00:50:20,040
and I took my Bible with me so I don't

1296
00:50:24,170 --> 00:50:21,359
know where I could have lost it at you

1297
00:50:26,750 --> 00:50:24,180
know but uh I sure wish I could contact

1298
00:50:30,349 --> 00:50:26,760
him today because it would I would feel

1299
00:50:32,630 --> 00:50:30,359
complete if uh you know right now I just

1300
00:50:35,089 --> 00:50:32,640
feel as if I'm out here and

1301
00:50:37,250 --> 00:50:35,099
you know I mean it's it's incredible

1302
00:50:40,370 --> 00:50:37,260
what happened and there's a lot more to

1303
00:50:42,829 --> 00:50:40,380
it uh

1304
00:50:45,109 --> 00:50:42,839
I don't even know what else to say but I

1305
00:50:47,650 --> 00:50:45,119
I wish that we were sitting side by side

1306
00:50:49,970 --> 00:50:47,660
discussing it in front of anybody yeah

1307
00:50:52,549 --> 00:50:49,980
right I know it would give you a clear

1308
00:50:55,549 --> 00:50:52,559
picture and you know I know

1309
00:50:57,770 --> 00:50:55,559
these fractured sort of memories here

1310
00:51:01,309 --> 00:50:57,780
you're searching for answers you're

1311
00:51:03,589 --> 00:51:01,319
trying to find closure on this very uh

1312
00:51:05,630 --> 00:51:03,599
traumatic event that happened to you you

1313
00:51:07,549 --> 00:51:05,640
know if I can just say this you know

1314
00:51:09,170 --> 00:51:07,559
going back to

1315
00:51:11,170 --> 00:51:09,180
you know when they just when they

1316
00:51:13,250 --> 00:51:11,180
discovered us where we were

1317
00:51:17,329 --> 00:51:13,260
unbeknownst to me we were on the back

1318
00:51:20,030 --> 00:51:17,339
side of the Newell Lake Reservoir Dam

1319
00:51:22,910 --> 00:51:20,040
completely opposite where November 5 was

1320
00:51:24,950 --> 00:51:22,920
and when I plotted that on the entire

1321
00:51:28,670 --> 00:51:24,960
Journey on a map

1322
00:51:30,470 --> 00:51:28,680
from November 1 November 5 to to Newell

1323
00:51:32,750 --> 00:51:30,480
Lake Reservoir Dam and back November 1

1324
00:51:35,630 --> 00:51:32,760
it's a Pythagorean triangle

1325
00:51:37,790 --> 00:51:35,640
it's really amazing it really is and

1326
00:51:39,410 --> 00:51:37,800
you're you know you from from November 5

1327
00:51:42,710 --> 00:51:39,420
to where you were

1328
00:51:44,630 --> 00:51:42,720
was about 11 miles from November from

1329
00:51:47,150 --> 00:51:44,640
November 5 to Newell Lake Reservoir was

1330
00:51:49,130 --> 00:51:47,160
about 11 miles and then from November

1331
00:51:52,549 --> 00:51:49,140
from the old Lake Reservoir to November

1332
00:51:54,170 --> 00:51:52,559
1 was about eight miles and so it was

1333
00:51:55,849 --> 00:51:54,180
it's really really a strange

1334
00:51:58,069 --> 00:51:55,859
configuration but

1335
00:51:59,690 --> 00:51:58,079
what is it with water and I originally

1336
00:52:03,170 --> 00:51:59,700
think standing out in that parking lot

1337
00:52:05,690 --> 00:52:03,180
when I went back with uh Discovery Plus

1338
00:52:08,510 --> 00:52:05,700
knowing what I know now

1339
00:52:11,390 --> 00:52:08,520
that craft or that object was over top

1340
00:52:14,569 --> 00:52:11,400
of that Reservoir

1341
00:52:15,650 --> 00:52:14,579
so we're talking you know originally

1342
00:52:17,870 --> 00:52:15,660
over

1343
00:52:19,609 --> 00:52:17,880
the nuclear installation and then and

1344
00:52:22,130 --> 00:52:19,619
then over water

1345
00:52:24,530 --> 00:52:22,140
um we saw it over water then a nuclear

1346
00:52:26,510 --> 00:52:24,540
then a nuclear site and then and then

1347
00:52:29,089 --> 00:52:26,520
dropped me off where the water was we're

1348
00:52:31,910 --> 00:52:29,099
still right Mario I mean so many of

1349
00:52:35,390 --> 00:52:31,920
these cases happen over bodies of water

1350
00:52:38,390 --> 00:52:35,400
I've got hundreds of them reports in my

1351
00:52:41,870 --> 00:52:38,400
files and um my own personal UFO

1352
00:52:45,290 --> 00:52:41,880
sighting happened over a lake so I can

1353
00:52:47,870 --> 00:52:45,300
definitely relate yeah many aspects um

1354
00:52:50,150 --> 00:52:47,880
well okay wow

1355
00:52:54,470 --> 00:52:50,160
um there's so much to unpack but I do

1356
00:52:57,829 --> 00:52:54,480
want to move to the missing time aspect

1357
00:53:00,109 --> 00:52:57,839
now you're talking 11 mile distance

1358
00:53:01,670 --> 00:53:00,119
hours of missing time now we're not

1359
00:53:03,950 --> 00:53:01,680
talking a couple minutes like some

1360
00:53:05,510 --> 00:53:03,960
people have cleaned five hours five

1361
00:53:07,370 --> 00:53:05,520
hours incredible

1362
00:53:10,250 --> 00:53:07,380
um you know we we should have arrived

1363
00:53:12,549 --> 00:53:10,260
there right around 1am okay our travel

1364
00:53:17,089 --> 00:53:12,559
time wasn't but 15 minutes from 12 30

1365
00:53:19,609 --> 00:53:17,099
you know and so yeah when when Sergeant

1366
00:53:21,589 --> 00:53:19,619
Garza got to me the I just looked to the

1367
00:53:24,049 --> 00:53:21,599
East and the sun was Rising I mean it

1368
00:53:27,010 --> 00:53:24,059
was getting light and I was like where

1369
00:53:31,069 --> 00:53:27,020
where am I what happened

1370
00:53:34,849 --> 00:53:31,079
let's talk about that what happened no

1371
00:53:37,370 --> 00:53:34,859
many years passed and I know you really

1372
00:53:40,030 --> 00:53:37,380
wanted to know what happened in that gap

1373
00:53:42,829 --> 00:53:40,040
of time and like many who have had UFO

1374
00:53:45,890 --> 00:53:42,839
experiences uh you know there's

1375
00:53:48,950 --> 00:53:45,900
different ways to try to retrieve those

1376
00:53:51,650 --> 00:53:48,960
memories but a very popular approach is

1377
00:53:53,870 --> 00:53:51,660
hypnosis some people believe in it some

1378
00:53:57,349 --> 00:53:53,880
think it's complete bunk

1379
00:53:59,750 --> 00:53:57,359
um but this is what you decided to do I

1380
00:54:02,930 --> 00:53:59,760
would love to know what compelled you to

1381
00:54:05,690 --> 00:54:02,940
finally want to retrieve these memories

1382
00:54:07,970 --> 00:54:05,700
and uh who was the one to put you under

1383
00:54:09,230 --> 00:54:07,980
hypnosis if if unless that's

1384
00:54:10,569 --> 00:54:09,240
confidential

1385
00:54:12,829 --> 00:54:10,579
um yeah

1386
00:54:14,210 --> 00:54:12,839
I mean I'd be happy to give it to you

1387
00:54:17,770 --> 00:54:14,220
but I

1388
00:54:21,890 --> 00:54:17,780
I prefer him tell me that would be okay

1389
00:54:23,270 --> 00:54:21,900
he's a mufon investigator and uh very

1390
00:54:25,549 --> 00:54:23,280
well known but um

1391
00:54:28,250 --> 00:54:25,559
actually Robert Hastings put you know

1392
00:54:31,130 --> 00:54:28,260
suggested him and uh he came to my home

1393
00:54:32,630 --> 00:54:31,140
okay and we did this and uh I'd never

1394
00:54:33,950 --> 00:54:32,640
been hypnotized before and I'm thinking

1395
00:54:38,390 --> 00:54:33,960
I even could be

1396
00:54:41,150 --> 00:54:38,400
but somehow he he uh he got me there and

1397
00:54:42,950 --> 00:54:41,160
uh it was really a strange experience

1398
00:54:47,210 --> 00:54:42,960
because some things did come to light

1399
00:54:49,490 --> 00:54:47,220
that um that I had no idea of and maybe

1400
00:54:51,770 --> 00:54:49,500
it Harbors some of the feelings that

1401
00:54:56,150 --> 00:54:51,780
I've had ever since then about certain

1402
00:54:58,430 --> 00:54:56,160
things such as lights in my room or

1403
00:54:59,450 --> 00:54:58,440
lights that I can see at night I can't I

1404
00:55:00,829 --> 00:54:59,460
can't

1405
00:55:03,230 --> 00:55:00,839
I don't know what it is but if there's

1406
00:55:05,809 --> 00:55:03,240
some a little LED light or some kind of

1407
00:55:07,970 --> 00:55:05,819
small light coming off of something I

1408
00:55:11,630 --> 00:55:07,980
got to cover it I can't I don't like any

1409
00:55:14,750 --> 00:55:11,640
any small lights at all I don't know

1410
00:55:16,849 --> 00:55:14,760
where that comes from but um

1411
00:55:20,809 --> 00:55:16,859
yeah it uh I had to deal with a few

1412
00:55:24,109 --> 00:55:20,819
things things that I saw this is where I

1413
00:55:26,930 --> 00:55:24,119
really uh got a good look at what these

1414
00:55:27,470 --> 00:55:26,940
beings were and how they looked

1415
00:55:30,710 --> 00:55:27,480
um

1416
00:55:33,470 --> 00:55:30,720
and also a couple of areas either in the

1417
00:55:34,190 --> 00:55:33,480
craft or wherever I was that I was taken

1418
00:55:35,809 --> 00:55:34,200
to

1419
00:55:39,170 --> 00:55:35,819
and um

1420
00:55:42,950 --> 00:55:39,180
some of the stuff that was done and the

1421
00:55:44,589 --> 00:55:42,960
most uh the I don't say scariest but the

1422
00:55:47,089 --> 00:55:44,599
most

1423
00:55:49,849 --> 00:55:47,099
misunderstanding that I have is about

1424
00:55:51,589 --> 00:55:49,859
being in something not knowing if I'm

1425
00:55:52,910 --> 00:55:51,599
clothed or not and that's a real strange

1426
00:55:55,609 --> 00:55:52,920
feeling to not know if you got your

1427
00:56:00,109 --> 00:55:55,619
clothes on or not but I was in a like a

1428
00:56:02,630 --> 00:56:00,119
like a a gel of some kind that was black

1429
00:56:04,069 --> 00:56:02,640
or to my to me it was black maybe it was

1430
00:56:05,270 --> 00:56:04,079
just because I was in the dark I don't

1431
00:56:06,349 --> 00:56:05,280
know

1432
00:56:09,770 --> 00:56:06,359
um

1433
00:56:12,290 --> 00:56:09,780
but it was super thick kind of gelatin

1434
00:56:14,809 --> 00:56:12,300
that was everywhere I I don't know if I

1435
00:56:16,910 --> 00:56:14,819
was eat my head was under it or what but

1436
00:56:20,809 --> 00:56:16,920
my body was submerged in it

1437
00:56:24,109 --> 00:56:20,819
and uh I just had a feeling of complete

1438
00:56:27,230 --> 00:56:24,119
uh aloneness and Dread and I've never

1439
00:56:29,510 --> 00:56:27,240
experienced that in my life and uh it

1440
00:56:31,849 --> 00:56:29,520
bothers me about it it bothers me

1441
00:56:33,349 --> 00:56:31,859
thinking about that today the only other

1442
00:56:35,210 --> 00:56:33,359
time it happened I was on top of a

1443
00:56:37,069 --> 00:56:35,220
mountain in in Mexico on a motorcycle

1444
00:56:38,569 --> 00:56:37,079
one time and I was all by myself and I

1445
00:56:40,250 --> 00:56:38,579
was above the clouds and all of a sudden

1446
00:56:42,349 --> 00:56:40,260
there's I think there's some kind of

1447
00:56:44,450 --> 00:56:42,359
phobia about being completely alone with

1448
00:56:47,510 --> 00:56:44,460
no other human contact so I probably

1449
00:56:49,430 --> 00:56:47,520
wouldn't be a good astronaut

1450
00:56:52,130 --> 00:56:49,440
I'd like to try it but I don't think I

1451
00:56:54,410 --> 00:56:52,140
could but um yeah yeah but that that

1452
00:56:56,690 --> 00:56:54,420
fear made me think about that because it

1453
00:56:58,250 --> 00:56:56,700
was uh and I felt a lot of pain in my

1454
00:57:01,309 --> 00:56:58,260
right wrist something was being done to

1455
00:57:05,809 --> 00:57:01,319
my right wrist but I think the most uh

1456
00:57:10,490 --> 00:57:08,270
uh feeling

1457
00:57:12,470 --> 00:57:10,500
was that uh I don't know if I was

1458
00:57:15,410 --> 00:57:12,480
freaking out I don't know if I don't

1459
00:57:17,990 --> 00:57:15,420
really know exactly what my actions were

1460
00:57:21,710 --> 00:57:18,000
but one of these beings laid their hand

1461
00:57:23,150 --> 00:57:21,720
on my shoulder right here and it came I

1462
00:57:25,069 --> 00:57:23,160
don't know how long the fingers were but

1463
00:57:27,410 --> 00:57:25,079
it came out it came down about right

1464
00:57:29,750 --> 00:57:27,420
here on me I just felt this hand that

1465
00:57:32,150 --> 00:57:29,760
was super light

1466
00:57:35,569 --> 00:57:32,160
it was it didn't feel like a human hand

1467
00:57:39,650 --> 00:57:35,579
you know how that feels as I do but it

1468
00:57:42,290 --> 00:57:39,660
felt completely different and uh

1469
00:57:43,910 --> 00:57:42,300
it's I can feel that I can put my hand

1470
00:57:47,270 --> 00:57:43,920
on there sometimes and I can I swear I

1471
00:57:49,069 --> 00:57:47,280
think I can feel it you know and I was

1472
00:57:50,270 --> 00:57:49,079
going away from my vehicle and I was on

1473
00:57:52,730 --> 00:57:50,280
my back

1474
00:57:54,530 --> 00:57:52,740
and I when when the door was the door

1475
00:57:56,809 --> 00:57:54,540
was closed on the passenger side of our

1476
00:57:59,030 --> 00:57:56,819
vehicle

1477
00:58:01,849 --> 00:57:59,040
and I felt as if I was about four foot

1478
00:58:05,089 --> 00:58:01,859
in the air but I poked my head up and I

1479
00:58:07,069 --> 00:58:05,099
see U.S security U.S Air Force on the

1480
00:58:08,809 --> 00:58:07,079
side of of our vehicle and these are

1481
00:58:10,069 --> 00:58:08,819
dark blue Vehicles the gold letters on

1482
00:58:13,069 --> 00:58:10,079
the side of them

1483
00:58:15,470 --> 00:58:13,079
and uh when I did that's when his hand

1484
00:58:17,690 --> 00:58:15,480
touched me here

1485
00:58:20,450 --> 00:58:17,700
and I laid my head back down

1486
00:58:24,109 --> 00:58:20,460
and I and I kept I kept hearing inside

1487
00:58:25,190 --> 00:58:24,119
of me not verbally do not fear do not

1488
00:58:27,410 --> 00:58:25,200
fear

1489
00:58:29,630 --> 00:58:27,420
and that was uh that was something that

1490
00:58:32,089 --> 00:58:29,640
was said throughout

1491
00:58:33,950 --> 00:58:32,099
the entire experience I don't know what

1492
00:58:36,849 --> 00:58:33,960
else was said but I'm but I remember

1493
00:58:38,630 --> 00:58:36,859
that quite well do not fear

1494
00:58:41,930 --> 00:58:38,640
well

1495
00:58:43,970 --> 00:58:41,940
and you know I I'm gonna be honest Mario

1496
00:58:47,630 --> 00:58:43,980
in the past

1497
00:58:51,349 --> 00:58:47,640
I don't know maybe eight ten years

1498
00:58:54,410 --> 00:58:51,359
um the idea of hypnosis has been

1499
00:58:56,569 --> 00:58:54,420
something that I have struggled with

1500
00:58:58,730 --> 00:58:56,579
when it comes to retrieving memories on

1501
00:59:04,130 --> 00:58:58,740
these types of experiences however

1502
00:59:06,589 --> 00:59:04,140
uh I have watched the available video of

1503
00:59:08,990 --> 00:59:06,599
your hypnosis session uh what what what

1504
00:59:13,309 --> 00:59:09,000
has been made available whether it's in

1505
00:59:18,170 --> 00:59:13,319
documentary or whatnot and um

1506
00:59:20,329 --> 00:59:18,180
it is clear a by the the person

1507
00:59:25,190 --> 00:59:20,339
conducting the hypnosis uh they were not

1508
00:59:28,609 --> 00:59:25,200
leading uh they were extremely uh what's

1509
00:59:32,390 --> 00:59:28,619
the word uh caring of the state you are

1510
00:59:35,329 --> 00:59:32,400
in which was clearly uh traumatic

1511
00:59:38,089 --> 00:59:35,339
um you can tell in the hypnosis and they

1512
00:59:41,390 --> 00:59:38,099
weren't leading you at all and

1513
00:59:43,730 --> 00:59:41,400
to me my gut reaction is you were

1514
00:59:47,750 --> 00:59:43,740
completely genuine in in what you were

1515
00:59:50,990 --> 00:59:47,760
remembering and feeling uh so that being

1516
00:59:53,030 --> 00:59:51,000
said I mean the fact that these are the

1517
00:59:56,329 --> 00:59:53,040
memories that came forward of these

1518
00:59:58,910 --> 00:59:56,339
beings of these uh sort of telepathic

1519
01:00:00,950 --> 00:59:58,920
messages you were given

1520
01:00:07,430 --> 01:00:00,960
how do you

1521
01:00:09,349 --> 01:00:07,440
wrestle with the notion that within that

1522
01:00:12,289 --> 01:00:09,359
missing time at this military

1523
01:00:14,210 --> 01:00:12,299
installation and this event that this

1524
01:00:16,670 --> 01:00:14,220
what we're staring at right now these

1525
01:00:19,130 --> 01:00:16,680
images of these beings might have been

1526
01:00:21,230 --> 01:00:19,140
the cause of all of this how do you cope

1527
01:00:23,510 --> 01:00:21,240
with that every day

1528
01:00:24,890 --> 01:00:23,520
it never goes away I'll tell you that

1529
01:00:27,049 --> 01:00:24,900
right now I

1530
01:00:29,990 --> 01:00:27,059
there's no time when I'm not looking up

1531
01:00:33,230 --> 01:00:30,000
I I get up really early for work

1532
01:00:35,089 --> 01:00:33,240
uh and I I just watched the skies and

1533
01:00:36,530 --> 01:00:35,099
and uh living right here on the East

1534
01:00:40,190 --> 01:00:36,540
Coast you know you see a few things

1535
01:00:48,730 --> 01:00:44,270
it just never goes away uh that feeling

1536
01:00:52,010 --> 01:00:48,740
my shoulder the uh do not fear

1537
01:00:54,109 --> 01:00:52,020
I mean I literally I when I stood on

1538
01:00:56,690 --> 01:00:54,119
November and stood at November 5 when I

1539
01:00:59,630 --> 01:00:56,700
was there with the discovery

1540
01:01:02,750 --> 01:00:59,640
um it broke me completely down man I I I

1541
01:01:04,849 --> 01:01:02,760
was I was under the impression that at

1542
01:01:06,710 --> 01:01:04,859
any moment all of a sudden they could

1543
01:01:08,630 --> 01:01:06,720
just materialize right there on top of

1544
01:01:10,430 --> 01:01:08,640
that site again and now there's a cattle

1545
01:01:12,890 --> 01:01:10,440
processing facility built on top of

1546
01:01:14,329 --> 01:01:12,900
November 5. when the government when

1547
01:01:16,849 --> 01:01:14,339
they mothball the whole area they left

1548
01:01:18,530 --> 01:01:16,859
the fences up and which is the the sites

1549
01:01:20,690 --> 01:01:18,540
were built upward so no water or

1550
01:01:22,609 --> 01:01:20,700
anything would collect on them and so

1551
01:01:24,589 --> 01:01:22,619
the ranchers used that property because

1552
01:01:26,210 --> 01:01:24,599
the property was leased you know where

1553
01:01:29,750 --> 01:01:26,220
these missile sites are located for 99

1554
01:01:32,270 --> 01:01:29,760
years and um so I guess they gave it to

1555
01:01:35,390 --> 01:01:32,280
the ranchers at that time but they this

1556
01:01:38,270 --> 01:01:35,400
guy chose to build on top of it and uh

1557
01:01:40,730 --> 01:01:38,280
it but that I I could I have no words

1558
01:01:42,650 --> 01:01:40,740
for that it's uh

1559
01:01:44,690 --> 01:01:42,660
there's two we just don't we just can't

1560
01:01:46,370 --> 01:01:44,700
comprehend that yet I don't care you

1561
01:01:49,190 --> 01:01:46,380
know what the military is doing or what

1562
01:01:52,010 --> 01:01:49,200
we may have in Crash retrievals or any

1563
01:01:55,490 --> 01:01:52,020
kind of Technology we have the normal

1564
01:01:58,250 --> 01:01:55,500
the normal human being

1565
01:02:01,309 --> 01:01:58,260
to confront something like this

1566
01:02:03,770 --> 01:02:01,319
and I had a weapon on you I had no

1567
01:02:04,910 --> 01:02:03,780
intention of of bearing that weapon I

1568
01:02:06,950 --> 01:02:04,920
don't even think I could I don't even

1569
01:02:09,530 --> 01:02:06,960
think I could pull a trigger that's how

1570
01:02:12,349 --> 01:02:09,540
incapacitated you literally are for your

1571
01:02:14,569 --> 01:02:12,359
very being your very survival

1572
01:02:17,030 --> 01:02:14,579
uh of what's happening to you because

1573
01:02:19,309 --> 01:02:17,040
it's completely out of your realm of all

1574
01:02:21,230 --> 01:02:19,319
possibilities something that you people

1575
01:02:22,670 --> 01:02:21,240
we can say oh I'd go right up and I'd

1576
01:02:25,069 --> 01:02:22,680
knock on the door

1577
01:02:27,109 --> 01:02:25,079
yeah you probably crawl out of your skin

1578
01:02:29,089 --> 01:02:27,119
and go the other way like a jellyfish

1579
01:02:31,910 --> 01:02:29,099
right yeah I mean there's just no way

1580
01:02:34,190 --> 01:02:31,920
around it you know the technology Gap is

1581
01:02:35,750 --> 01:02:34,200
just something that we're not even

1582
01:02:37,730 --> 01:02:35,760
prepared for yet

1583
01:02:41,510 --> 01:02:37,740
and uh

1584
01:02:43,970 --> 01:02:41,520
that I I uh I I do wrestle with it quite

1585
01:02:47,030 --> 01:02:43,980
a bit and it and you know it's been 44

1586
01:02:48,710 --> 01:02:47,040
years ago 43 44 years ago now and it

1587
01:02:50,990 --> 01:02:48,720
never goes away it's as clear today as

1588
01:02:52,789 --> 01:02:51,000
it was then when it occurred I just wish

1589
01:02:55,670 --> 01:02:52,799
I could find Michael Johnson you know

1590
01:02:57,530 --> 01:02:55,680
yeah hey we're going to keep trying you

1591
01:03:00,470 --> 01:02:57,540
know the more interviews you do the more

1592
01:03:02,270 --> 01:03:00,480
this gets out there hopefully he like

1593
01:03:03,950 --> 01:03:02,280
many others will feel compelled to come

1594
01:03:07,130 --> 01:03:03,960
forward I can't tell you how many

1595
01:03:09,230 --> 01:03:07,140
military Pilots uh yeah around Personnel

1596
01:03:12,230 --> 01:03:09,240
Intelligence Officers have come forward

1597
01:03:13,970 --> 01:03:12,240
to me you know just a civilian uh to

1598
01:03:17,630 --> 01:03:13,980
tell their stories after hearing stories

1599
01:03:20,210 --> 01:03:17,640
like yours or we had Jeremy McGowan or

1600
01:03:23,510 --> 01:03:20,220
the Tic Tac witness oh yeah it's crazy

1601
01:03:25,849 --> 01:03:23,520
sorry go ahead yeah no we had uh when I

1602
01:03:27,890 --> 01:03:25,859
first arrived out there you know people

1603
01:03:29,690 --> 01:03:27,900
even say you know the other other

1604
01:03:31,010 --> 01:03:29,700
security policemen say yeah missile

1605
01:03:32,809 --> 01:03:31,020
feels really strange you know because

1606
01:03:34,970 --> 01:03:32,819
you have missile sites sitting right

1607
01:03:37,430 --> 01:03:34,980
outside the Badlands down to our Wall

1608
01:03:39,770 --> 01:03:37,440
South Dakota so as I said again these

1609
01:03:40,910 --> 01:03:39,780
sites you know are strung from the

1610
01:03:43,910 --> 01:03:40,920
Badlands

1611
01:03:45,890 --> 01:03:43,920
it will involve all the way up to the

1612
01:03:47,930 --> 01:03:45,900
Wyoming border and then the other other

1613
01:03:49,970 --> 01:03:47,940
sites take over from that point you know

1614
01:03:51,770 --> 01:03:49,980
and um

1615
01:03:54,170 --> 01:03:51,780
I was told of an incident that happened

1616
01:03:55,910 --> 01:03:54,180
with the two security policemen that

1617
01:03:58,970 --> 01:03:55,920
were located something like three miles

1618
01:04:02,390 --> 01:03:58,980
apart they were missing overnight their

1619
01:04:04,069 --> 01:04:02,400
vehicle was one in one place them in

1620
01:04:07,309 --> 01:04:04,079
their clothing were completely separated

1621
01:04:09,349 --> 01:04:07,319
they were sitting in in a field in out

1622
01:04:10,490 --> 01:04:09,359
on a prairie completely separate from

1623
01:04:12,349 --> 01:04:10,500
each other and their weapons and

1624
01:04:14,450 --> 01:04:12,359
everything else completely separated

1625
01:04:16,730 --> 01:04:14,460
from each other and just Strone about

1626
01:04:17,990 --> 01:04:16,740
and that's how they were recovered I

1627
01:04:19,809 --> 01:04:18,000
don't know what happened to them but I

1628
01:04:23,210 --> 01:04:19,819
know they neither of them ever came back

1629
01:04:25,490 --> 01:04:23,220
to the missile field again so they have

1630
01:04:27,829 --> 01:04:25,500
a strange strange thing you know and if

1631
01:04:30,300 --> 01:04:27,839
I may further when I got that assignment

1632
01:04:31,069 --> 01:04:30,310
well I should back up a little bit

1633
01:04:32,170 --> 01:04:31,079
[Music]

1634
01:04:35,030 --> 01:04:32,180
um

1635
01:04:36,589 --> 01:04:35,040
after it was all said and done and a

1636
01:04:40,250 --> 01:04:36,599
little bit of time passed I got promoted

1637
01:04:42,530 --> 01:04:40,260
to an NCO uh

1638
01:04:44,450 --> 01:04:42,540
I got orders about nine months later

1639
01:04:47,870 --> 01:04:44,460
eight and a half nine months later to go

1640
01:04:49,910 --> 01:04:47,880
to Korea Osan Air Base and

1641
01:04:52,190 --> 01:04:49,920
um I was married at the time

1642
01:04:55,430 --> 01:04:52,200
and uh anyway

1643
01:04:59,569 --> 01:04:57,530
I went to my went to my commander of

1644
01:05:02,329 --> 01:04:59,579
course reckon I said uh Colonel I said

1645
01:05:03,950 --> 01:05:02,339
you know I'm married and um I said

1646
01:05:05,450 --> 01:05:03,960
there's any way you know can I go ahead

1647
01:05:07,130 --> 01:05:05,460
and volunteer for two years and I could

1648
01:05:09,109 --> 01:05:07,140
take my wife with me

1649
01:05:11,329 --> 01:05:09,119
would let me do that

1650
01:05:13,010 --> 01:05:11,339
and uh and that was

1651
01:05:15,470 --> 01:05:13,020
that should have been allowed that was

1652
01:05:17,510 --> 01:05:15,480
not asking anything out of place or

1653
01:05:19,309 --> 01:05:17,520
anything like that that was a normal

1654
01:05:21,289 --> 01:05:19,319
thing if you received a remote and there

1655
01:05:23,569 --> 01:05:21,299
was you could take your spouse with you

1656
01:05:25,490 --> 01:05:23,579
or your family with you but you extended

1657
01:05:26,870 --> 01:05:25,500
for an additional year well I was told I

1658
01:05:29,450 --> 01:05:26,880
couldn't do that

1659
01:05:32,569 --> 01:05:29,460
and um so I ended up having to go alone

1660
01:05:37,130 --> 01:05:32,579
which which is okay I had a great time

1661
01:05:40,010 --> 01:05:37,140
there it was really good but just that

1662
01:05:41,990 --> 01:05:40,020
it's funny how they just they can change

1663
01:05:44,390 --> 01:05:42,000
or they can do

1664
01:05:45,710 --> 01:05:44,400
whatever it takes to separate two people

1665
01:05:49,849 --> 01:05:45,720
that have

1666
01:05:52,069 --> 01:05:49,859
like this together and that's what

1667
01:05:53,870 --> 01:05:52,079
happened Michael Johnson and can't find

1668
01:05:56,089 --> 01:05:53,880
him to this day it was something else I

1669
01:06:00,470 --> 01:05:56,099
wanted to tell you too that um

1670
01:06:03,349 --> 01:06:00,480
that is I'm missing right now but uh

1671
01:06:05,930 --> 01:06:03,359
no worries maybe something I'll strike

1672
01:06:07,910 --> 01:06:05,940
your memory here yeah yeah I've got

1673
01:06:09,109 --> 01:06:07,920
Mario two last questions for you

1674
01:06:10,849 --> 01:06:09,119
personally and then I've got some

1675
01:06:13,490 --> 01:06:10,859
listener questions if that's okay with

1676
01:06:17,270 --> 01:06:13,500
you you've been here let me I just can't

1677
01:06:19,430 --> 01:06:17,280
when I got hypnotized yeah

1678
01:06:20,750 --> 01:06:19,440
you know talking about you know I know

1679
01:06:22,250 --> 01:06:20,760
your beliefs what you were talking about

1680
01:06:24,589 --> 01:06:22,260
how you had problems with some of them

1681
01:06:27,410 --> 01:06:24,599
and and not with others but

1682
01:06:30,529 --> 01:06:27,420
put me in AFib

1683
01:06:32,089 --> 01:06:30,539
really yeah and I'd never had any kind

1684
01:06:34,370 --> 01:06:32,099
of problems whatsoever before and I've

1685
01:06:36,950 --> 01:06:34,380
been in it twice since that time well

1686
01:06:37,849 --> 01:06:36,960
one other time since that time but I

1687
01:06:40,130 --> 01:06:37,859
knew

1688
01:06:42,770 --> 01:06:40,140
for some reason there's a barrier

1689
01:06:44,690 --> 01:06:42,780
that you have to break and I and that's

1690
01:06:47,230 --> 01:06:44,700
the only way I can describe it there's

1691
01:06:50,690 --> 01:06:47,240
something about

1692
01:06:52,670 --> 01:06:50,700
telling these things

1693
01:06:54,410 --> 01:06:52,680
and especially under hypnosis because

1694
01:06:56,690 --> 01:06:54,420
you're not you're not completely asleep

1695
01:06:58,370 --> 01:06:56,700
but you're not awake either it's that

1696
01:06:59,870 --> 01:06:58,380
area in between

1697
01:07:03,289 --> 01:06:59,880
to where

1698
01:07:05,930 --> 01:07:03,299
dreams make sense I guess uh I don't

1699
01:07:08,510 --> 01:07:05,940
know that's the way to say it but

1700
01:07:11,089 --> 01:07:08,520
I knew

1701
01:07:13,010 --> 01:07:11,099
divulging or talking about it it upset

1702
01:07:14,750 --> 01:07:13,020
me so much internally

1703
01:07:16,730 --> 01:07:14,760
I didn't even know at the time but a

1704
01:07:19,250 --> 01:07:16,740
week later I was in a cardiologist's

1705
01:07:21,410 --> 01:07:19,260
office and I was in afib and I felt it

1706
01:07:23,210 --> 01:07:21,420
then because I was just on I couldn't I

1707
01:07:24,470 --> 01:07:23,220
wanted to talk and I couldn't talk I

1708
01:07:26,450 --> 01:07:24,480
wanted to talk and I couldn't talk

1709
01:07:29,029 --> 01:07:26,460
wanted to talk couldn't talk and then I

1710
01:07:31,430 --> 01:07:29,039
did talk and then when I did it I kind

1711
01:07:35,510 --> 01:07:31,440
of I guess I released whatever

1712
01:07:39,470 --> 01:07:35,520
and then it it it bothered my heart

1713
01:07:42,170 --> 01:07:39,480
wow yeah clearly clearly there is

1714
01:07:43,370 --> 01:07:42,180
something connected to here and

1715
01:07:47,150 --> 01:07:43,380
physically

1716
01:07:50,589 --> 01:07:47,160
um that this event just oh man talk

1717
01:07:53,750 --> 01:07:50,599
about physiological effects uh it's it's

1718
01:07:55,670 --> 01:07:53,760
troubling to say the least I I

1719
01:07:58,250 --> 01:07:55,680
well I hope everything is okay I hope

1720
01:07:59,150 --> 01:07:58,260
yeah yeah okay

1721
01:08:02,390 --> 01:07:59,160
um

1722
01:08:04,069 --> 01:08:02,400
well oh man that's pretty heavy

1723
01:08:06,549 --> 01:08:04,079
um well

1724
01:08:09,289 --> 01:08:06,559
to kind of I guess wrap up my personal

1725
01:08:10,430 --> 01:08:09,299
questions on this event Mario

1726
01:08:13,730 --> 01:08:10,440
um

1727
01:08:16,490 --> 01:08:13,740
why that's always my question for people

1728
01:08:19,010 --> 01:08:16,500
why do you think this event happened I

1729
01:08:21,530 --> 01:08:19,020
mean it seemed to start as happenstance

1730
01:08:26,150 --> 01:08:21,540
you know this alarm is set off at the

1731
01:08:28,610 --> 01:08:26,160
base uh and you see this object over the

1732
01:08:30,349 --> 01:08:28,620
the nuclear site

1733
01:08:32,390 --> 01:08:30,359
um and then you have these retrieved

1734
01:08:35,689 --> 01:08:32,400
memories of what possibly may have

1735
01:08:37,910 --> 01:08:35,699
happened during the missing time uh why

1736
01:08:40,789 --> 01:08:37,920
what was the motivation behind this

1737
01:08:43,570 --> 01:08:40,799
entire event if you had to venture I

1738
01:08:46,610 --> 01:08:43,580
guess I know I know there's never

1739
01:08:48,829 --> 01:08:46,620
concrete answers with any of this but oh

1740
01:08:49,729 --> 01:08:48,839
yeah I think this happened to you

1741
01:08:52,490 --> 01:08:49,739
thank you

1742
01:08:54,950 --> 01:08:52,500
I honestly believe that uh Robert

1743
01:08:57,349 --> 01:08:54,960
Hastings said it the best he said

1744
01:09:00,229 --> 01:08:57,359
they didn't contact you you contacted

1745
01:09:03,590 --> 01:09:00,239
them and they followed up on that

1746
01:09:05,329 --> 01:09:03,600
I see they knew what missile site they

1747
01:09:06,530 --> 01:09:05,339
knew that missile site was there and it

1748
01:09:08,809 --> 01:09:06,540
was connected to that launch control

1749
01:09:09,950 --> 01:09:08,819
facility I thoroughly thoroughly believe

1750
01:09:11,390 --> 01:09:09,960
that

1751
01:09:13,249 --> 01:09:11,400
so they went out there and set it off

1752
01:09:16,610 --> 01:09:13,259
and I dang on sure how to respond to it

1753
01:09:19,430 --> 01:09:16,620
and they knew I was there I mean I just

1754
01:09:21,590 --> 01:09:19,440
I felt that and how else can I say it

1755
01:09:23,809 --> 01:09:21,600
but I I sincerely felt that when I put

1756
01:09:26,090 --> 01:09:23,819
that flashlight over the top of that

1757
01:09:29,209 --> 01:09:26,100
truck and Flash the same sequence of of

1758
01:09:31,729 --> 01:09:29,219
lights out of them or a Maglite to that

1759
01:09:33,470 --> 01:09:31,739
bright object that just looked like the

1760
01:09:36,110 --> 01:09:33,480
sun sitting there

1761
01:09:38,030 --> 01:09:36,120
uh one thing further I must add that

1762
01:09:39,709 --> 01:09:38,040
when I went out there for Discovery

1763
01:09:42,169 --> 01:09:39,719
again

1764
01:09:44,510 --> 01:09:42,179
as we were filming you know people are

1765
01:09:46,789 --> 01:09:44,520
curious there and they ride by you know

1766
01:09:48,590 --> 01:09:46,799
on this dirt road Ormond Road looked

1767
01:09:51,110 --> 01:09:48,600
like an interstate that day it was about

1768
01:09:54,350 --> 01:09:51,120
20 of us there doing the filming

1769
01:09:56,030 --> 01:09:54,360
and um these two guys showed up and one

1770
01:09:57,530 --> 01:09:56,040
was on a four-wheeler and the other was

1771
01:10:00,709 --> 01:09:57,540
in a uh

1772
01:10:02,890 --> 01:10:00,719
uh an enclosed kind of four-wheeler

1773
01:10:05,750 --> 01:10:02,900
and they were landowners and one of them

1774
01:10:08,630 --> 01:10:05,760
his father I've got I've got their names

1775
01:10:12,650 --> 01:10:08,640
his father was a State Trooper at the

1776
01:10:14,390 --> 01:10:12,660
time when this happened in 77. and he he

1777
01:10:16,669 --> 01:10:14,400
came up because they stayed over when we

1778
01:10:17,630 --> 01:10:16,679
completed he stayed over as did the

1779
01:10:19,370 --> 01:10:17,640
other guy

1780
01:10:20,990 --> 01:10:19,380
and said uh

1781
01:10:24,229 --> 01:10:21,000
you were the guy that that happened to

1782
01:10:26,630 --> 01:10:24,239
him 77 I said yes sir and he goes up my

1783
01:10:28,370 --> 01:10:26,640
father was a State Trooper he said and I

1784
01:10:29,870 --> 01:10:28,380
remember the call at two o'clock in the

1785
01:10:32,450 --> 01:10:29,880
morning to come look for you guys and I

1786
01:10:34,850 --> 01:10:32,460
said what I mean it's totally blindsided

1787
01:10:36,470 --> 01:10:34,860
me and the people that were Rich

1788
01:10:38,750 --> 01:10:36,480
emberling that was with me he was my

1789
01:10:41,990 --> 01:10:38,760
host and he's really a good guy at this

1790
01:10:45,169 --> 01:10:42,000
he he just knows the questions to ask

1791
01:10:48,890 --> 01:10:45,179
and how to get him out and uh

1792
01:10:52,370 --> 01:10:48,900
anyway uh this fella I think his name is

1793
01:10:54,590 --> 01:10:52,380
Earl and uh not laughing at it because I

1794
01:10:56,330 --> 01:10:54,600
mean this this guy is a Rancher probably

1795
01:10:58,250 --> 01:10:56,340
80 000 Acres out there or something like

1796
01:10:58,850 --> 01:10:58,260
that but

1797
01:11:01,250 --> 01:10:58,860
um

1798
01:11:04,490 --> 01:11:01,260
anyway he said he was quite young in his

1799
01:11:05,870 --> 01:11:04,500
uh and his dad his day Trooper received

1800
01:11:07,430 --> 01:11:05,880
a call at two o'clock in the morning to

1801
01:11:09,530 --> 01:11:07,440
come look for two security policemen

1802
01:11:11,750 --> 01:11:09,540
that have gone missing at November 5

1803
01:11:15,229 --> 01:11:11,760
missile site on Ormond Road

1804
01:11:16,970 --> 01:11:15,239
and uh and his reply that he remembered

1805
01:11:19,130 --> 01:11:16,980
was his father said well why are you

1806
01:11:20,930 --> 01:11:19,140
asking me to go look for him those guys

1807
01:11:22,070 --> 01:11:20,940
are equipped way better than I am which

1808
01:11:24,950 --> 01:11:22,080
we were

1809
01:11:27,530 --> 01:11:24,960
uh but he did follow up on that and he

1810
01:11:30,649 --> 01:11:27,540
did come out to look for us to no avail

1811
01:11:33,890 --> 01:11:30,659
and then the other fellow that was there

1812
01:11:34,970 --> 01:11:33,900
he was a deputy sheriff in Sturgis and

1813
01:11:38,149 --> 01:11:34,980
they sent

1814
01:11:39,770 --> 01:11:38,159
two patrols now all this was on uh

1815
01:11:42,290 --> 01:11:39,780
requests from Central Security Control

1816
01:11:43,430 --> 01:11:42,300
back at Ellsworth Air Force Base to send

1817
01:11:45,110 --> 01:11:43,440
state

1818
01:11:48,709 --> 01:11:45,120
law enforcement looking for us as well

1819
01:11:51,770 --> 01:11:48,719
as our own people so that's another you

1820
01:11:54,649 --> 01:11:51,780
know I had three backup alert teams to

1821
01:11:55,729 --> 01:11:54,659
locate us which which finally did made

1822
01:11:57,530 --> 01:11:55,739
contact

1823
01:12:00,770 --> 01:11:57,540
and then I didn't know this but there

1824
01:12:02,570 --> 01:12:00,780
were three uh law enforcement teams you

1825
01:12:06,110 --> 01:12:02,580
know two from Sturgis and one state

1826
01:12:09,050 --> 01:12:06,120
trooper looking for us

1827
01:12:11,570 --> 01:12:09,060
that night now the state trooper

1828
01:12:12,770 --> 01:12:11,580
he said his dad said he saw something in

1829
01:12:15,709 --> 01:12:12,780
the air

1830
01:12:17,330 --> 01:12:15,719
and he didn't say what it was he said

1831
01:12:18,470 --> 01:12:17,340
his dad just said he saw something large

1832
01:12:20,990 --> 01:12:18,480
in the air

1833
01:12:23,450 --> 01:12:21,000
large in here so that was completely

1834
01:12:26,090 --> 01:12:23,460
unknown to me all these years that there

1835
01:12:27,890 --> 01:12:26,100
was anybody else even looking for us so

1836
01:12:31,070 --> 01:12:27,900
a couple times I've gone on like there's

1837
01:12:32,689 --> 01:12:31,080
a Newell South Dakota site you know for

1838
01:12:36,169 --> 01:12:32,699
the city and I've asked if anybody

1839
01:12:37,370 --> 01:12:36,179
remembers 1977 if anything was seen in

1840
01:12:39,229 --> 01:12:37,380
the month of November because I don't

1841
01:12:40,910 --> 01:12:39,239
know the exact day but I know it's just

1842
01:12:43,010 --> 01:12:40,920
two weeks before Thanksgiving that's why

1843
01:12:45,050 --> 01:12:43,020
I know it was November in November

1844
01:12:46,729 --> 01:12:45,060
and um but I hadn't really got any

1845
01:12:49,669 --> 01:12:46,739
replies back I've got several people who

1846
01:12:51,770 --> 01:12:49,679
watch the programs and said wow you know

1847
01:12:54,590 --> 01:12:51,780
I've heard of this out here but never

1848
01:12:58,010 --> 01:12:54,600
never knew it but anyway I just found

1849
01:13:01,010 --> 01:12:58,020
that to be uh really kind of cool that

1850
01:13:02,750 --> 01:13:01,020
yeah these guys came forward so we do we

1851
01:13:04,070 --> 01:13:02,760
do have their names so I don't know if

1852
01:13:05,689 --> 01:13:04,080
we ever gonna go back out there and then

1853
01:13:07,130 --> 01:13:05,699
maybe do a round table or something like

1854
01:13:09,350 --> 01:13:07,140
that with them but I would sure like to

1855
01:13:11,570 --> 01:13:09,360
I'd like to find out you know what they

1856
01:13:13,790 --> 01:13:11,580
knew or what they were told because what

1857
01:13:17,390 --> 01:13:13,800
Illusions is back during all this time

1858
01:13:19,010 --> 01:13:17,400
is that being an Airman or an NCO you

1859
01:13:20,390 --> 01:13:19,020
know you're not like the guys that were

1860
01:13:22,970 --> 01:13:20,400
Underground

1861
01:13:25,550 --> 01:13:22,980
and a launch control facility which are

1862
01:13:26,990 --> 01:13:25,560
watching you know the alarm panels you

1863
01:13:28,430 --> 01:13:27,000
know you're 70 feet under the ground

1864
01:13:30,950 --> 01:13:28,440
we're the guys that are actually out

1865
01:13:34,270 --> 01:13:30,960
there responding to what you sent us to

1866
01:13:38,630 --> 01:13:34,280
based on the alarm at that facility

1867
01:13:41,930 --> 01:13:38,640
so you know we don't have the same

1868
01:13:43,550 --> 01:13:41,940
I should say the uh we don't get the

1869
01:13:46,669 --> 01:13:43,560
same recognition

1870
01:13:48,830 --> 01:13:46,679
or the follow-up of paperwork that you

1871
01:13:50,990 --> 01:13:48,840
can gather from individuals who saw any

1872
01:13:53,990 --> 01:13:51,000
of this because they get it all

1873
01:13:56,450 --> 01:13:54,000
I got nothing nothing

1874
01:13:58,430 --> 01:13:56,460
back nothing my medical records don't

1875
01:14:00,649 --> 01:13:58,440
show anything I mean it's just amazing

1876
01:14:02,570 --> 01:14:00,659
to how little and how much they can

1877
01:14:03,410 --> 01:14:02,580
literally do away with if they so want

1878
01:14:06,229 --> 01:14:03,420
to

1879
01:14:08,630 --> 01:14:06,239
and and you know I'm not a conspiracy

1880
01:14:11,209 --> 01:14:08,640
theorist or anything but in this

1881
01:14:12,590 --> 01:14:11,219
instance you know I really see how my

1882
01:14:15,350 --> 01:14:12,600
buddy was shipped off somewhere else

1883
01:14:16,910 --> 01:14:15,360
never saw him again I get sent to a base

1884
01:14:19,070 --> 01:14:16,920
I'm not allowed to take the two-year

1885
01:14:20,930 --> 01:14:19,080
option you know completely separated

1886
01:14:22,250 --> 01:14:20,940
from everything that I know and care for

1887
01:14:25,490 --> 01:14:22,260
gone

1888
01:14:27,410 --> 01:14:25,500
and that's the way they do you and um

1889
01:14:29,570 --> 01:14:27,420
and and you got to stay quiet if you

1890
01:14:31,550 --> 01:14:29,580
want to keep a clearance you you come

1891
01:14:33,709 --> 01:14:31,560
forward in any of this and during this

1892
01:14:38,209 --> 01:14:33,719
time in 77 Linda molten Howell was

1893
01:14:40,250 --> 01:14:38,219
working for that uh uh uh channel in

1894
01:14:42,530 --> 01:14:40,260
Denver Colorado and she was

1895
01:14:45,169 --> 01:14:42,540
investigating cattle mutilations

1896
01:14:46,850 --> 01:14:45,179
at which my partner and I microwave Mark

1897
01:14:49,070 --> 01:14:46,860
Wade and I we saw two

1898
01:14:50,510 --> 01:14:49,080
and my vet in Rapid City said he had

1899
01:14:52,070 --> 01:14:50,520
been to one and did an examination

1900
01:14:54,410 --> 01:14:52,080
couldn't believe it and we just started

1901
01:14:57,649 --> 01:14:54,420
talking about it one day in Rapid City

1902
01:14:59,630 --> 01:14:57,659
so something's going on out there but

1903
01:15:01,370 --> 01:14:59,640
yet so much of it is hushed up now these

1904
01:15:02,209 --> 01:15:01,380
officers you know they have a paper

1905
01:15:03,950 --> 01:15:02,219
trail

1906
01:15:06,110 --> 01:15:03,960
because when you shut down a missile

1907
01:15:08,390 --> 01:15:06,120
site or the other thing is they're not

1908
01:15:10,490 --> 01:15:08,400
always shut down either we were

1909
01:15:13,910 --> 01:15:10,500
dispatched several times not just in

1910
01:15:17,630 --> 01:15:13,920
November but other facilities Echo Oscar

1911
01:15:20,330 --> 01:15:17,640
Hotel other sites that we I worked at to

1912
01:15:23,870 --> 01:15:20,340
where a site would just arbitrarily

1913
01:15:26,090 --> 01:15:23,880
start a sequence to Launch so the

1914
01:15:28,070 --> 01:15:26,100
procedure there was to drive your F-150

1915
01:15:30,229 --> 01:15:28,080
Ford truck out there with your partner

1916
01:15:33,169 --> 01:15:30,239
put it up on top of the blast door

1917
01:15:35,030 --> 01:15:33,179
facing the same direction as the as the

1918
01:15:37,430 --> 01:15:35,040
cow Trail or the or the cattle rails

1919
01:15:40,010 --> 01:15:37,440
where it's going to blow off put it in

1920
01:15:43,310 --> 01:15:40,020
neutral and get off the site by one mile

1921
01:15:44,870 --> 01:15:43,320
and if it launches the hopes are the

1922
01:15:47,030 --> 01:15:44,880
blast door blows out from underneath it

1923
01:15:48,830 --> 01:15:47,040
the vehicle falls down on the rocket and

1924
01:15:50,810 --> 01:15:48,840
it upsets a gyro and it just goes off

1925
01:15:54,590 --> 01:15:50,820
and crashes

1926
01:15:56,030 --> 01:15:54,600
wow that's not always a sequence of

1927
01:15:58,430 --> 01:15:56,040
events that's going to lie not always

1928
01:16:01,010 --> 01:15:58,440
that right shut down sometimes it

1929
01:16:03,770 --> 01:16:01,020
sequences to launch also and then it

1930
01:16:07,669 --> 01:16:03,780
stopped some ways somehow

1931
01:16:09,590 --> 01:16:07,679
external will stop yeah which is so much

1932
01:16:11,930 --> 01:16:09,600
more alarming when you yeah so they're

1933
01:16:13,910 --> 01:16:11,940
literally playing they're playing with

1934
01:16:15,290 --> 01:16:13,920
us you know and the whole thing I got to

1935
01:16:17,209 --> 01:16:15,300
ask a question about somebody on Netflix

1936
01:16:19,669 --> 01:16:17,219
here just a few weeks ago what did I

1937
01:16:21,050 --> 01:16:19,679
think what were they looking for why do

1938
01:16:22,189 --> 01:16:21,060
they come to these missile sites you

1939
01:16:25,910 --> 01:16:22,199
know

1940
01:16:27,229 --> 01:16:25,920
electricity we're just coming to grips

1941
01:16:29,090 --> 01:16:27,239
with today there's a lot more about

1942
01:16:30,830 --> 01:16:29,100
electricity that we don't know

1943
01:16:32,870 --> 01:16:30,840
especially on the big generator we're

1944
01:16:34,610 --> 01:16:32,880
sitting on right now under our feet all

1945
01:16:36,350 --> 01:16:34,620
of us

1946
01:16:38,030 --> 01:16:36,360
there are certain ways I guess that you

1947
01:16:39,770 --> 01:16:38,040
can split an atom and maybe there's more

1948
01:16:43,370 --> 01:16:39,780
ways than what we know of or have ever

1949
01:16:45,709 --> 01:16:43,380
learned and I think they perhaps

1950
01:16:47,750 --> 01:16:45,719
sequence or c

1951
01:16:50,990 --> 01:16:47,760
our abilities to do that even though

1952
01:16:53,450 --> 01:16:51,000
even though it's weaponized there are

1953
01:16:57,169 --> 01:16:53,460
other ways that they're waiting for us

1954
01:17:00,290 --> 01:16:57,179
or either monitoring us that we don't

1955
01:17:02,630 --> 01:17:00,300
find different ways to split that or new

1956
01:17:04,430 --> 01:17:02,640
elements to add with it or whatever I

1957
01:17:07,090 --> 01:17:04,440
don't want to be incorrect speaking

1958
01:17:10,370 --> 01:17:07,100
about it but that's what I feel

1959
01:17:14,090 --> 01:17:10,380
yeah and you know we're we're getting

1960
01:17:16,970 --> 01:17:14,100
closer to uh you know nuclear fusion

1961
01:17:18,890 --> 01:17:16,980
yeah I think it was just a few weeks ago

1962
01:17:22,070 --> 01:17:18,900
that they discovered that they're able

1963
01:17:24,169 --> 01:17:22,080
to finally do it very very small amounts

1964
01:17:26,450 --> 01:17:24,179
but we're getting there so you know

1965
01:17:28,669 --> 01:17:26,460
while these things these ideas of free

1966
01:17:31,610 --> 01:17:28,679
energy are hopefully going to benefit

1967
01:17:34,010 --> 01:17:31,620
mankind there's always the antithesis as

1968
01:17:36,350 --> 01:17:34,020
of that as well and yeah

1969
01:17:39,350 --> 01:17:36,360
um you know again like these nuclear

1970
01:17:42,110 --> 01:17:39,360
sites what you were doing out there is a

1971
01:17:45,590 --> 01:17:42,120
necessary line of defense but it can

1972
01:17:49,130 --> 01:17:45,600
easily be flipped on the offense as well

1973
01:17:51,950 --> 01:17:49,140
yes it can so it's it's troubling when

1974
01:17:54,169 --> 01:17:51,960
these when these instances these

1975
01:17:56,390 --> 01:17:54,179
incidents I should say are happening

1976
01:17:58,550 --> 01:17:56,400
um at a rapid Pace all over I mean we

1977
01:18:00,110 --> 01:17:58,560
just had um and this is kind of my last

1978
01:18:01,669 --> 01:18:00,120
question for you Mario

1979
01:18:02,510 --> 01:18:01,679
um before these couple listener

1980
01:18:05,209 --> 01:18:02,520
questions

1981
01:18:07,250 --> 01:18:05,219
um Robert Salas another gentleman who

1982
01:18:08,450 --> 01:18:07,260
worked at a nuclear site had a now

1983
01:18:10,130 --> 01:18:08,460
famous

1984
01:18:13,189 --> 01:18:10,140
incident occur

1985
01:18:16,370 --> 01:18:13,199
um just announced yes at Maelstrom yes

1986
01:18:18,110 --> 01:18:16,380
um is going to be speaking to Arrow this

1987
01:18:19,669 --> 01:18:18,120
new office within the Department of

1988
01:18:22,070 --> 01:18:19,679
Defense he's going to be giving

1989
01:18:24,590 --> 01:18:22,080
testimony about his event that took

1990
01:18:26,810 --> 01:18:24,600
place which he's been waiting for for

1991
01:18:29,870 --> 01:18:26,820
decades for someone to come to him and

1992
01:18:31,729 --> 01:18:29,880
be like what happened and you know

1993
01:18:35,209 --> 01:18:31,739
recently at these Congressional hearings

1994
01:18:38,390 --> 01:18:35,219
on UFOs Congress people asked the head

1995
01:18:40,610 --> 01:18:38,400
of the UFO office this new office have

1996
01:18:42,890 --> 01:18:40,620
you ever heard of the Maelstrom UFO

1997
01:18:46,430 --> 01:18:42,900
event and they had absolutely no idea

1998
01:18:49,070 --> 01:18:46,440
what he was talking about which was just

1999
01:18:51,169 --> 01:18:49,080
you know that dumbfounded me and many

2000
01:18:52,669 --> 01:18:51,179
people out there but now look they're

2001
01:18:54,050 --> 01:18:52,679
taking a proactive stance they've

2002
01:18:55,850 --> 01:18:54,060
reached out to Robert sellers they're

2003
01:18:59,330 --> 01:18:55,860
going to talk to him so my question for

2004
01:19:01,070 --> 01:18:59,340
you is if given this opportunity would

2005
01:19:04,550 --> 01:19:01,080
you talk about your event in front of

2006
01:19:07,430 --> 01:19:04,560
Congress or even testify with arrow this

2007
01:19:09,110 --> 01:19:07,440
new UFO office in the the Pentagon if

2008
01:19:10,610 --> 01:19:09,120
given that opportunity

2009
01:19:12,890 --> 01:19:10,620
um yeah would you take it and what would

2010
01:19:15,110 --> 01:19:12,900
you tell them uh yeah I'm one of the

2011
01:19:15,570 --> 01:19:15,120
eight that was asked to do that really

2012
01:19:17,110 --> 01:19:15,580
okay

2013
01:19:20,270 --> 01:19:17,120
[Music]

2014
01:19:22,430 --> 01:19:20,280
I uh I'm looking forward to it

2015
01:19:24,169 --> 01:19:22,440
and I'll answer anything anything they

2016
01:19:25,370 --> 01:19:24,179
ask anything that to the best of my

2017
01:19:27,470 --> 01:19:25,380
ability

2018
01:19:29,270 --> 01:19:27,480
wow that's exciting I did not know that

2019
01:19:31,430 --> 01:19:29,280
uh they've reached out to you so that's

2020
01:19:33,649 --> 01:19:31,440
going to be happening yes

2021
01:19:36,050 --> 01:19:33,659
okay I don't know exactly the date but I

2022
01:19:38,570 --> 01:19:36,060
mean I guess it's a when they want to

2023
01:19:40,550 --> 01:19:38,580
contact you yeah you're on their

2024
01:19:42,470 --> 01:19:40,560
schedule right

2025
01:19:44,510 --> 01:19:42,480
um well that's very exciting I I did not

2026
01:19:47,750 --> 01:19:44,520
know that um it's good to hear they're

2027
01:19:49,430 --> 01:19:47,760
finally reaching out to to folks like

2028
01:19:52,250 --> 01:19:49,440
you who have had these incidents and

2029
01:19:54,290 --> 01:19:52,260
were told to keep quiet about them I

2030
01:19:55,970 --> 01:19:54,300
mean there's even new language in the

2031
01:19:58,570 --> 01:19:55,980
National Defense authorization or

2032
01:20:01,130 --> 01:19:58,580
everything if you have had an experience

2033
01:20:02,990 --> 01:20:01,140
come forward you know there's no

2034
01:20:04,729 --> 01:20:03,000
repercussion we know you had cute

2035
01:20:07,370 --> 01:20:04,739
clearances we know you were told to be

2036
01:20:10,310 --> 01:20:07,380
silent but we want to know what happened

2037
01:20:12,649 --> 01:20:10,320
so uh oh man I am wishing you all the

2038
01:20:14,630 --> 01:20:12,659
best with that I I hope something and

2039
01:20:16,610 --> 01:20:14,640
maybe you'll even get some answers you

2040
01:20:18,229 --> 01:20:16,620
know I hope so I don't know they're

2041
01:20:20,149 --> 01:20:18,239
pretty stingy about that they want to

2042
01:20:22,610 --> 01:20:20,159
know but they don't want to give yeah

2043
01:20:24,410 --> 01:20:22,620
you know that's about right you know in

2044
01:20:26,990 --> 01:20:24,420
50 years you know all this will go away

2045
01:20:28,850 --> 01:20:27,000
because whatever is that whoever's out

2046
01:20:30,709 --> 01:20:28,860
there they'll make themselves known when

2047
01:20:33,169 --> 01:20:30,719
they feel it you know or if they come

2048
01:20:35,570 --> 01:20:33,179
from our planet within however it all

2049
01:20:38,450 --> 01:20:35,580
works I don't know

2050
01:20:40,010 --> 01:20:38,460
but it but they'll we will know about

2051
01:20:41,149 --> 01:20:40,020
them then it'll be completely different

2052
01:20:43,370 --> 01:20:41,159
so

2053
01:20:43,380 --> 01:20:47,990
yeah we're on their timetable yes

2054
01:20:51,110 --> 01:20:49,610
um awesome well I've got just a couple

2055
01:20:54,110 --> 01:20:51,120
listener questions if you're willing to

2056
01:20:56,750 --> 01:20:54,120
stick around yeah sure sure great great

2057
01:20:57,950 --> 01:20:56,760
thanks Mario um well Casey on Twitter

2058
01:20:59,990 --> 01:20:57,960
asks

2059
01:21:03,350 --> 01:21:00,000
does Mario believe the government has

2060
01:21:05,750 --> 01:21:03,360
any further or previous information on

2061
01:21:07,790 --> 01:21:05,760
your incident do you do you think

2062
01:21:11,030 --> 01:21:07,800
someone truly knows what happened there

2063
01:21:13,430 --> 01:21:11,040
or at least yeah it's fully written and

2064
01:21:15,290 --> 01:21:13,440
documented I thoroughly believe that and

2065
01:21:17,090 --> 01:21:15,300
what I meant earlier by saying you know

2066
01:21:20,570 --> 01:21:17,100
officers are different than ncos or

2067
01:21:23,209 --> 01:21:20,580
Airmen is that uh

2068
01:21:26,090 --> 01:21:23,219
for some reason they're more privy to

2069
01:21:29,570 --> 01:21:26,100
documentation to be able to set up a

2070
01:21:33,350 --> 01:21:29,580
line of of not progression but a a line

2071
01:21:36,229 --> 01:21:33,360
of um informative information that they

2072
01:21:40,070 --> 01:21:36,239
can get or gather or can get from their

2073
01:21:42,290 --> 01:21:40,080
partners and so forth whereas we simply

2074
01:21:45,310 --> 01:21:42,300
submitted our information or underwent

2075
01:21:48,229 --> 01:21:45,320
an interrogation really an interrogation

2076
01:21:50,810 --> 01:21:48,239
and then told never to speak of it again

2077
01:21:53,209 --> 01:21:50,820
and sign an indie and non-disclosure

2078
01:21:55,970 --> 01:21:53,219
agreement you know or something similar

2079
01:21:57,830 --> 01:21:55,980
to to do that because I mean you know

2080
01:21:59,630 --> 01:21:57,840
when they threaten you you know we we

2081
01:22:01,910 --> 01:21:59,640
you know we can take your rank away you

2082
01:22:03,649 --> 01:22:01,920
can't divulge any secrets you can't talk

2083
01:22:05,209 --> 01:22:03,659
about it you know nobody in your family

2084
01:22:07,669 --> 01:22:05,219
can know about this

2085
01:22:09,890 --> 01:22:07,679
it it's really quite scary

2086
01:22:11,510 --> 01:22:09,900
I mean it really is I mean it you know

2087
01:22:13,970 --> 01:22:11,520
especially if you're a young Airman

2088
01:22:15,709 --> 01:22:13,980
young NCO and you've got a family and

2089
01:22:17,510 --> 01:22:15,719
you'll say well what's my livelihood if

2090
01:22:19,850 --> 01:22:17,520
I leave this you know I'll be you can't

2091
01:22:22,610 --> 01:22:19,860
you can't discuss it you can't do

2092
01:22:24,229 --> 01:22:22,620
anything about it and it's very hard to

2093
01:22:26,030 --> 01:22:24,239
gather they've worked that's that's been

2094
01:22:27,290 --> 01:22:26,040
something that's really really bothered

2095
01:22:29,330 --> 01:22:27,300
me I mean

2096
01:22:31,490 --> 01:22:29,340
from the very beginning of being able to

2097
01:22:33,169 --> 01:22:31,500
run these people down and say can you

2098
01:22:35,030 --> 01:22:33,179
write me something can you do this well

2099
01:22:39,110 --> 01:22:35,040
they won't do that

2100
01:22:41,390 --> 01:22:39,120
right right I I get it yeah even and you

2101
01:22:44,209 --> 01:22:41,400
know even doe when I when I first went

2102
01:22:44,990 --> 01:22:44,219
to work for doe in 83

2103
01:22:46,729 --> 01:22:45,000
um

2104
01:22:49,189 --> 01:22:46,739
well I guess it was 84 because it took

2105
01:22:52,070 --> 01:22:49,199
eight months from my clearance now I had

2106
01:22:54,229 --> 01:22:52,080
never had any any infraction whatsoever

2107
01:22:57,050 --> 01:22:54,239
in with law enforcement or anything like

2108
01:22:59,390 --> 01:22:57,060
that ever still don't

2109
01:23:01,669 --> 01:22:59,400
um but it still took eight months for my

2110
01:23:04,130 --> 01:23:01,679
clearance and I sat in front of a board

2111
01:23:06,890 --> 01:23:04,140
three times

2112
01:23:08,270 --> 01:23:06,900
they didn't specifically say this but

2113
01:23:10,790 --> 01:23:08,280
whatever happened to you in the Air

2114
01:23:13,070 --> 01:23:10,800
Force when this this took place or that

2115
01:23:15,050 --> 01:23:13,080
took place because I mean they literally

2116
01:23:16,610 --> 01:23:15,060
if I'd started talking about it then I'd

2117
01:23:17,630 --> 01:23:16,620
have divulge something through doe I

2118
01:23:19,790 --> 01:23:17,640
shouldn't have

2119
01:23:22,790 --> 01:23:19,800
because I was still still under under

2120
01:23:25,010 --> 01:23:22,800
that oath you know as as compared to

2121
01:23:26,630 --> 01:23:25,020
what department of energy does even

2122
01:23:28,970 --> 01:23:26,640
though I was a subcontractor

2123
01:23:30,470 --> 01:23:28,980
still you can't to keep your clearance

2124
01:23:32,270 --> 01:23:30,480
you just couldn't talk about that

2125
01:23:36,350 --> 01:23:32,280
because I mean I've been in Los Alamos

2126
01:23:37,790 --> 01:23:36,360
Sandia Oak Ridge uh I've been to quite a

2127
01:23:43,810 --> 01:23:37,800
few places I saw one of those cold

2128
01:23:50,570 --> 01:23:48,709
87 I think oh wow 87.88 yeah I was at S4

2129
01:23:53,510 --> 01:23:50,580
there in Los Alamos he Advanced nuclear

2130
01:23:57,530 --> 01:23:53,520
Research Center and saw mayor senium

2131
01:23:59,750 --> 01:23:57,540
well said element 114 115. burst in

2132
01:24:00,970 --> 01:23:59,760
Akiva unbelievable

2133
01:24:04,430 --> 01:24:00,980
yep

2134
01:24:07,490 --> 01:24:04,440
yeah we could go down a long road with

2135
01:24:10,370 --> 01:24:07,500
Bob Lazar in Area 51 but we'll save that

2136
01:24:12,350 --> 01:24:10,380
for our next yeah

2137
01:24:14,330 --> 01:24:12,360
um well this question came in actually

2138
01:24:16,910 --> 01:24:14,340
this was a super chat by our good friend

2139
01:24:19,070 --> 01:24:16,920
James Craig thank you so much James for

2140
01:24:21,169 --> 01:24:19,080
the Super Chat here he asks does Mario

2141
01:24:23,750 --> 01:24:21,179
think the nature of this event was nuts

2142
01:24:26,810 --> 01:24:23,760
and bolts atmospheric phenomenon or

2143
01:24:29,149 --> 01:24:26,820
paranormal psychological uh yeah what do

2144
01:24:30,830 --> 01:24:29,159
you make of the the whole event do you

2145
01:24:33,410 --> 01:24:30,840
believe all of this physically happened

2146
01:24:36,350 --> 01:24:33,420
to you in the reality as we know it

2147
01:24:38,570 --> 01:24:36,360
Mario or um yeah however you want to

2148
01:24:40,370 --> 01:24:38,580
dissect that question yeah just like

2149
01:24:42,950 --> 01:24:40,380
you're going to the store and on the way

2150
01:24:44,330 --> 01:24:42,960
to the store something happens and then

2151
01:24:45,950 --> 01:24:44,340
all of a sudden you're not at the store

2152
01:24:48,229 --> 01:24:45,960
you're somewhere you didn't even intend

2153
01:24:50,030 --> 01:24:48,239
on being and then you you just got to

2154
01:24:52,550 --> 01:24:50,040
come to grips with what's left

2155
01:24:55,669 --> 01:24:52,560
yeah that's a that's a good way to put

2156
01:24:57,470 --> 01:24:55,679
it I I couldn't put it better myself

2157
01:25:00,610 --> 01:24:57,480
um here's one Christopher on Facebook

2158
01:25:04,370 --> 01:25:00,620
asks did you have any synchronicities

2159
01:25:07,189 --> 01:25:04,380
occur before or after this event I mean

2160
01:25:09,590 --> 01:25:07,199
there's a couple you brought up I mean

2161
01:25:11,750 --> 01:25:09,600
just there knowing you went back to the

2162
01:25:14,630 --> 01:25:11,760
site for the TV show and you found

2163
01:25:16,910 --> 01:25:14,640
people who had actually responded to

2164
01:25:18,649 --> 01:25:16,920
your emergency call to come look for you

2165
01:25:20,990 --> 01:25:18,659
guys that's a synchronicity if I've ever

2166
01:25:22,910 --> 01:25:21,000
heard one but uh yeah anything else

2167
01:25:23,810 --> 01:25:22,920
really sticky

2168
01:25:26,350 --> 01:25:23,820
um

2169
01:25:27,810 --> 01:25:26,360
ah

2170
01:25:30,350 --> 01:25:27,820
the uh

2171
01:25:34,090 --> 01:25:30,360
[Music]

2172
01:25:36,649 --> 01:25:34,100
I became so interested

2173
01:25:38,689 --> 01:25:36,659
uh in

2174
01:25:40,430 --> 01:25:38,699
pyramids and Archeology that I can't

2175
01:25:42,830 --> 01:25:40,440
even describe that

2176
01:25:44,750 --> 01:25:42,840
anything at the pyramid structure I had

2177
01:25:45,770 --> 01:25:44,760
to find out about it its measurements

2178
01:25:49,910 --> 01:25:45,780
it's

2179
01:25:53,450 --> 01:25:49,920
don't know why and I don't know how that

2180
01:25:58,990 --> 01:25:56,870
uh I I went to uh the movie um Close

2181
01:26:02,990 --> 01:25:59,000
Encounters a third kind with my life

2182
01:26:04,550 --> 01:26:03,000
excuse me and uh that part where Roy

2183
01:26:06,290 --> 01:26:04,560
neri's sitting in front of the mailboxes

2184
01:26:09,530 --> 01:26:06,300
with a flashlight in his mouth

2185
01:26:11,689 --> 01:26:09,540
and the object is comes I guess stops

2186
01:26:13,729 --> 01:26:11,699
directly above his vehicle and shines a

2187
01:26:17,090 --> 01:26:13,739
light down and illuminates the whole

2188
01:26:18,470 --> 01:26:17,100
thing and it that whole scene when I saw

2189
01:26:20,689 --> 01:26:18,480
that

2190
01:26:22,729 --> 01:26:20,699
I literally got up and had to leave the

2191
01:26:26,209 --> 01:26:22,739
theater I couldn't take it I mean that

2192
01:26:28,430 --> 01:26:26,219
had just happened to me literally had

2193
01:26:32,330 --> 01:26:28,440
just happened almost the same thing but

2194
01:26:34,250 --> 01:26:32,340
I was with a partner and armed and uh

2195
01:26:36,490 --> 01:26:34,260
yeah so I'd say those synchronicities

2196
01:26:38,510 --> 01:26:36,500
you know are one is

2197
01:26:40,070 --> 01:26:38,520
pyramids I don't know what it is even

2198
01:26:42,530 --> 01:26:40,080
today but

2199
01:26:44,510 --> 01:26:42,540
really I'm just kind of like a uh an

2200
01:26:46,850 --> 01:26:44,520
amateur archaeologist but I have learned

2201
01:26:49,850 --> 01:26:46,860
so much about these structures

2202
01:26:51,350 --> 01:26:49,860
and they weren't they're not what we've

2203
01:26:54,890 --> 01:26:51,360
been told they are

2204
01:26:57,649 --> 01:26:54,900
and um I don't know what else to say

2205
01:27:00,649 --> 01:26:57,659
about that but yeah there are definite

2206
01:27:02,990 --> 01:27:00,659
things that that influence my mind in a

2207
01:27:05,090 --> 01:27:03,000
in a certain way but uh

2208
01:27:08,090 --> 01:27:05,100
these these pyramid structures have

2209
01:27:09,970 --> 01:27:08,100
really changed me in a lot of ways just

2210
01:27:14,330 --> 01:27:09,980
learning about them

2211
01:27:16,490 --> 01:27:14,340
interesting yeah yeah I that's a whole a

2212
01:27:18,890 --> 01:27:16,500
whole Avenue you can go down

2213
01:27:21,709 --> 01:27:18,900
um uh last listener question here for

2214
01:27:23,510 --> 01:27:21,719
you Mario Stephen on Twitter asks have

2215
01:27:26,090 --> 01:27:23,520
you had any other encounters or

2216
01:27:28,610 --> 01:27:26,100
Communications with whatever you think

2217
01:27:30,649 --> 01:27:28,620
you encountered that night if so

2218
01:27:33,890 --> 01:27:30,659
how and what

2219
01:27:35,629 --> 01:27:33,900
no other than dreams uh I keep a dream

2220
01:27:38,270 --> 01:27:35,639
log but uh

2221
01:27:40,610 --> 01:27:38,280
a dream in color I can smell in my

2222
01:27:43,910 --> 01:27:40,620
dreams and uh

2223
01:27:50,390 --> 01:27:48,110
I've had uh some very strange and and

2224
01:27:52,910 --> 01:27:50,400
and and sometimes unnerving Dreams

2225
01:27:55,010 --> 01:27:52,920
they're not nightmares I mean where it

2226
01:27:56,330 --> 01:27:55,020
makes me wake up it's just uh just

2227
01:28:00,709 --> 01:27:56,340
something that I see and I don't quite

2228
01:28:04,850 --> 01:28:02,930
I guess dreams mean something I don't

2229
01:28:07,970 --> 01:28:04,860
know what but uh

2230
01:28:09,830 --> 01:28:07,980
yeah I I as far as I guess dreams would

2231
01:28:11,330 --> 01:28:09,840
be the right answer for that just really

2232
01:28:15,110 --> 01:28:11,340
really

2233
01:28:16,430 --> 01:28:15,120
unbelievable dreams interesting hey you

2234
01:28:18,830 --> 01:28:16,440
know and a lot of this people believe

2235
01:28:21,229 --> 01:28:18,840
happens in the the realm of the

2236
01:28:24,530 --> 01:28:21,239
subconscious as well so subconscious

2237
01:28:26,750 --> 01:28:24,540
excuse me so uh yeah who knows it could

2238
01:28:29,570 --> 01:28:26,760
be another way for them to communicate

2239
01:28:32,930 --> 01:28:29,580
even I I will I will expand on one thing

2240
01:28:35,629 --> 01:28:32,940
in a 20 if I can on in 2017.

2241
01:28:37,669 --> 01:28:35,639
because in December uh

2242
01:28:40,850 --> 01:28:37,679
I think it was December 19th or

2243
01:28:42,290 --> 01:28:40,860
something like that in 2017.

2244
01:28:44,689 --> 01:28:42,300
uh

2245
01:28:46,610 --> 01:28:44,699
I work shift work at the time and I was

2246
01:28:49,850 --> 01:28:46,620
I have a back room back here that I keep

2247
01:28:52,490 --> 01:28:49,860
so anyway I can I can sleep there not in

2248
01:28:54,350 --> 01:28:52,500
not not interfere or bother anybody else

2249
01:28:56,629 --> 01:28:54,360
in the house but um

2250
01:28:59,330 --> 01:28:56,639
anyway it was about uh ten after four I

2251
01:29:01,070 --> 01:28:59,340
wake up at these certain times uh 111

2252
01:29:04,910 --> 01:29:01,080
313

2253
01:29:07,250 --> 01:29:04,920
4 10 4 11 just really I try to keep a

2254
01:29:11,209 --> 01:29:07,260
little running tab on that but

2255
01:29:12,290 --> 01:29:11,219
anyway I uh I woke up at uh ten after

2256
01:29:14,870 --> 01:29:12,300
four

2257
01:29:16,610 --> 01:29:14,880
on this morning with all these alarms

2258
01:29:17,990 --> 01:29:16,620
going off but I didn't just wake up and

2259
01:29:20,629 --> 01:29:18,000
sit up in my bed

2260
01:29:23,149 --> 01:29:20,639
I uh opened my eyes and I was standing

2261
01:29:26,270 --> 01:29:23,159
next to the foot of my bed

2262
01:29:27,709 --> 01:29:26,280
and I was looking at the north wall in

2263
01:29:29,930 --> 01:29:27,719
this bedroom

2264
01:29:31,729 --> 01:29:29,940
and there was a big black hole in the

2265
01:29:33,709 --> 01:29:31,739
middle of that in that wall about six or

2266
01:29:35,810 --> 01:29:33,719
seven feet in diameter

2267
01:29:37,189 --> 01:29:35,820
and as I woke up to it of course it was

2268
01:29:38,570 --> 01:29:37,199
gone so I don't know if I was dreaming

2269
01:29:40,250 --> 01:29:38,580
it or what happened but all of a sudden

2270
01:29:41,570 --> 01:29:40,260
I hear all these alarms going off and it

2271
01:29:44,629 --> 01:29:41,580
was in my home

2272
01:29:47,810 --> 01:29:44,639
and it was low voltage alarms like with

2273
01:29:50,090 --> 01:29:47,820
your stove your oven your refrigerator I

2274
01:29:52,189 --> 01:29:50,100
did a microwaves got one anything's

2275
01:29:54,050 --> 01:29:52,199
that's electronic has a low voltage

2276
01:29:55,610 --> 01:29:54,060
alarm and I didn't I didn't even know

2277
01:29:57,950 --> 01:29:55,620
this existed

2278
01:30:00,830 --> 01:29:57,960
and the lights were flickering and they

2279
01:30:03,590 --> 01:30:00,840
were my son was home and he and he gets

2280
01:30:05,750 --> 01:30:03,600
up and he goes Dad what's going on and I

2281
01:30:06,830 --> 01:30:05,760
was in kind of shock I said I don't I

2282
01:30:08,750 --> 01:30:06,840
don't know son

2283
01:30:11,390 --> 01:30:08,760
what's happened I said the lights won't

2284
01:30:13,669 --> 01:30:11,400
work I mean they were working but they

2285
01:30:15,530 --> 01:30:13,679
were extremely low just like they were

2286
01:30:16,669 --> 01:30:15,540
being powered by a six-fold battery or

2287
01:30:18,830 --> 01:30:16,679
something

2288
01:30:20,390 --> 01:30:18,840
and I said the only thing I knew to do I

2289
01:30:21,649 --> 01:30:20,400
said well I'll just have to wait eight

2290
01:30:23,270 --> 01:30:21,659
o'clock this morning I'll call George

2291
01:30:25,250 --> 01:30:23,280
power

2292
01:30:26,990 --> 01:30:25,260
so I just went back to bed and thought

2293
01:30:29,510 --> 01:30:27,000
how strange all that was and I don't

2294
01:30:31,970 --> 01:30:29,520
know what that hole was in my wall

2295
01:30:34,430 --> 01:30:31,980
and uh

2296
01:30:36,649 --> 01:30:34,440
so I wake up my son's already up and he

2297
01:30:38,750 --> 01:30:36,659
goes dad he said Georgia power's out

2298
01:30:40,610 --> 01:30:38,760
here and I said what

2299
01:30:42,470 --> 01:30:40,620
he said yeah Georgia power's out here

2300
01:30:44,689 --> 01:30:42,480
and I said you're kidding me I said I

2301
01:30:46,430 --> 01:30:44,699
didn't call him so I threw on some

2302
01:30:48,050 --> 01:30:46,440
clothes real quick and out the door I

2303
01:30:49,729 --> 01:30:48,060
went I went out of my front yard and I

2304
01:30:50,629 --> 01:30:49,739
live on a little bit more than an acre

2305
01:30:53,030 --> 01:30:50,639
here

2306
01:30:54,050 --> 01:30:53,040
and they were out next to the street and

2307
01:30:56,030 --> 01:30:54,060
uh

2308
01:30:58,070 --> 01:30:56,040
I introduced myself and and the

2309
01:31:00,290 --> 01:30:58,080
supervisor he goes it's your home I said

2310
01:31:01,610 --> 01:31:00,300
yes sir he goes well we can't figure out

2311
01:31:04,189 --> 01:31:01,620
what happened I said what do you mean

2312
01:31:07,070 --> 01:31:04,199
Kim I said I I said he goes hey you know

2313
01:31:08,750 --> 01:31:07,080
you lost a leg of power to your house

2314
01:31:10,070 --> 01:31:08,760
and I didn't really know what that meant

2315
01:31:11,689 --> 01:31:10,080
and I said well how many other I said

2316
01:31:15,050 --> 01:31:11,699
the whole neighborhood God he goes oh no

2317
01:31:18,169 --> 01:31:15,060
just you and I said what

2318
01:31:20,990 --> 01:31:18,179
and uh he said yeah he says it lit up

2319
01:31:23,990 --> 01:31:21,000
our board downtown as a power surge

2320
01:31:26,030 --> 01:31:24,000
and then nothing and then we see you

2321
01:31:28,729 --> 01:31:26,040
lost a leg I said

2322
01:31:31,010 --> 01:31:28,739
what what does that even mean you know

2323
01:31:33,350 --> 01:31:31,020
and um

2324
01:31:35,270 --> 01:31:33,360
so he goes come on I'll show you so he

2325
01:31:37,490 --> 01:31:35,280
takes me to where the meter is and and

2326
01:31:40,310 --> 01:31:37,500
outside of my garage on a little deck

2327
01:31:43,729 --> 01:31:40,320
there and they had this uh this battery

2328
01:31:44,689 --> 01:31:43,739
type Transformer thing set up on a on a

2329
01:31:46,610 --> 01:31:44,699
cart

2330
01:31:49,729 --> 01:31:46,620
and they had it plugged had it wired

2331
01:31:52,189 --> 01:31:49,739
into my uh to my meter so I would have

2332
01:31:54,470 --> 01:31:52,199
three legs of power you know restoring

2333
01:31:55,669 --> 01:31:54,480
power to the house fully and he goes

2334
01:31:58,010 --> 01:31:55,679
yeah we'll come out here and put a new

2335
01:31:59,390 --> 01:31:58,020
line in next week or so it took a bit

2336
01:32:01,310 --> 01:31:59,400
longer than that but I got pictures and

2337
01:32:02,689 --> 01:32:01,320
so forth of it and I said well what

2338
01:32:04,550 --> 01:32:02,699
makes this happen he says we don't know

2339
01:32:05,870 --> 01:32:04,560
he says it's a strange thing it's never

2340
01:32:08,450 --> 01:32:05,880
happened here before

2341
01:32:10,370 --> 01:32:08,460
and I said yeah I can't I don't know

2342
01:32:12,770 --> 01:32:10,380
either and uh

2343
01:32:15,110 --> 01:32:12,780
anyway I went on about my business and

2344
01:32:17,209 --> 01:32:15,120
didn't think much more about it and then

2345
01:32:18,770 --> 01:32:17,219
about uh two weeks later

2346
01:32:20,750 --> 01:32:18,780
I was at my front yard I think I was

2347
01:32:23,750 --> 01:32:20,760
cutting the grass and one of the boys

2348
01:32:25,610 --> 01:32:23,760
from up the street he came by and goes

2349
01:32:27,470 --> 01:32:25,620
hey Mr Woods how you doing and I pulled

2350
01:32:30,410 --> 01:32:27,480
off my respirator and I said man I'm all

2351
01:32:32,629 --> 01:32:30,420
right how about you and uh he goes what

2352
01:32:34,970 --> 01:32:32,639
was he goes what was that light in your

2353
01:32:36,590 --> 01:32:34,980
backyard a few weeks ago Mr Woods I said

2354
01:32:38,090 --> 01:32:36,600
what are you talking about he goes well

2355
01:32:39,410 --> 01:32:38,100
I left for work at four o'clock in the

2356
01:32:41,930 --> 01:32:39,420
morning he said it was lit up like it

2357
01:32:44,330 --> 01:32:41,940
was a sun in your backyard and I said

2358
01:32:46,790 --> 01:32:44,340
what I said there's two there's two

2359
01:32:49,129 --> 01:32:46,800
outdoor lights above the the roof line

2360
01:32:52,129 --> 01:32:49,139
uh in that room and that's that's all

2361
01:32:54,229 --> 01:32:52,139
there are just there's two uh lights

2362
01:32:57,410 --> 01:32:54,239
floodlights

2363
01:33:00,110 --> 01:32:57,420
and he goes oh no he goes it looked like

2364
01:33:01,970 --> 01:33:00,120
it looked like a stadium back there and

2365
01:33:03,950 --> 01:33:01,980
I was because I live I bought 200 trees

2366
01:33:05,870 --> 01:33:03,960
in the backyard he goes and it looked

2367
01:33:07,910 --> 01:33:05,880
like a stadium in your backyard and I

2368
01:33:09,770 --> 01:33:07,920
said you got to be kidding me

2369
01:33:11,390 --> 01:33:09,780
I said I said come on man I'll say

2370
01:33:12,350 --> 01:33:11,400
you're gonna be joking he says no I'm

2371
01:33:14,149 --> 01:33:12,360
serious

2372
01:33:16,550 --> 01:33:14,159
and that's all we really said about it

2373
01:33:19,250 --> 01:33:16,560
and um it made me wonder the entire you

2374
01:33:21,590 --> 01:33:19,260
know other than that and um

2375
01:33:24,229 --> 01:33:21,600
but anyway we lost a leg of power to the

2376
01:33:26,629 --> 01:33:24,239
house and it's highly unusual and then

2377
01:33:28,610 --> 01:33:26,639
that happened and he came by and said

2378
01:33:30,950 --> 01:33:28,620
that and the guy George power said this

2379
01:33:34,910 --> 01:33:30,960
never happens we don't even know how it

2380
01:33:36,649 --> 01:33:34,920
happened here so anyway that was in 2017

2381
01:33:39,350 --> 01:33:36,659
and I let Robert Hastings know about

2382
01:33:41,570 --> 01:33:39,360
that and immediately you know I mean I I

2383
01:33:44,510 --> 01:33:41,580
don't know you just never know these

2384
01:33:46,070 --> 01:33:44,520
these uh these beings can once they've

2385
01:33:48,530 --> 01:33:46,080
they can identify you they know

2386
01:33:50,290 --> 01:33:48,540
everybody I think there's nobody they

2387
01:33:55,010 --> 01:33:50,300
can get away from them

2388
01:33:56,990 --> 01:33:55,020
but they monitor you know right and you

2389
01:33:59,390 --> 01:33:57,000
know again it's like when you have that

2390
01:34:01,850 --> 01:33:59,400
kind of what a lot of people call the

2391
01:34:03,770 --> 01:34:01,860
initiation experience which you know I

2392
01:34:06,530 --> 01:34:03,780
know you had a sighting as a child as

2393
01:34:08,870 --> 01:34:06,540
well but a lot of the time once a lot of

2394
01:34:11,450 --> 01:34:08,880
the times once you have these encounters

2395
01:34:14,750 --> 01:34:11,460
you know it does open a door and invites

2396
01:34:16,910 --> 01:34:14,760
a lot more weirdness into your life what

2397
01:34:18,530 --> 01:34:16,920
kind of door is that is it yeah wait

2398
01:34:20,629 --> 01:34:18,540
what what is that

2399
01:34:22,729 --> 01:34:20,639
I I there's a lot of people that haven't

2400
01:34:24,830 --> 01:34:22,739
seen anything ever so I totally

2401
01:34:27,649 --> 01:34:24,840
understand the questioning you know and

2402
01:34:29,390 --> 01:34:27,659
I I I don't know how else to address

2403
01:34:31,070 --> 01:34:29,400
that other than that will perhaps you

2404
01:34:32,990 --> 01:34:31,080
will when it's your time you're supposed

2405
01:34:36,290 --> 01:34:33,000
to see it I guess you know until it's

2406
01:34:38,390 --> 01:34:36,300
you yeah absolutely absolutely well

2407
01:34:39,470 --> 01:34:38,400
Mario you've been very generous with

2408
01:34:41,570 --> 01:34:39,480
your time

2409
01:34:44,209 --> 01:34:41,580
um I'm going to I'm going to let you go

2410
01:34:46,490 --> 01:34:44,219
here in just a moment but you know again

2411
01:34:48,290 --> 01:34:46,500
a lot of people I'm sure

2412
01:34:50,209 --> 01:34:48,300
are going to feel empowered after

2413
01:34:53,570 --> 01:34:50,219
hearing you tell this story especially

2414
01:34:55,850 --> 01:34:53,580
military personnel to come forward so my

2415
01:34:58,070 --> 01:34:55,860
last question for you of course is there

2416
01:35:00,169 --> 01:34:58,080
anywhere people can reach out to you if

2417
01:35:02,330 --> 01:35:00,179
they'd like uh would you like them to do

2418
01:35:03,649 --> 01:35:02,340
it through me or is there some sort of

2419
01:35:04,970 --> 01:35:03,659
email

2420
01:35:07,310 --> 01:35:04,980
um if there's anything you're willing to

2421
01:35:11,510 --> 01:35:07,320
see usually you know you uh you can you

2422
01:35:13,850 --> 01:35:11,520
can email me it's m woods175 gmail.com

2423
01:35:15,290 --> 01:35:13,860
okay I don't mind I'll answer it if I

2424
01:35:17,930 --> 01:35:15,300
can and you know I try to get to

2425
01:35:20,149 --> 01:35:17,940
everybody you know the best I can uh

2426
01:35:22,070 --> 01:35:20,159
sometimes there's too many but uh that I

2427
01:35:24,110 --> 01:35:22,080
still I still try to answer them you

2428
01:35:25,669 --> 01:35:24,120
know and a lot of people comment on the

2429
01:35:27,350 --> 01:35:25,679
YouTube portion I don't know about all

2430
01:35:29,810 --> 01:35:27,360
this yet on all these platforms and I

2431
01:35:31,669 --> 01:35:29,820
guess I should do better than what I'm

2432
01:35:33,830 --> 01:35:31,679
doing and and maybe I could use your

2433
01:35:35,390 --> 01:35:33,840
helper I wish I knew somebody that would

2434
01:35:38,810 --> 01:35:35,400
sit down and help me because I honestly

2435
01:35:40,610 --> 01:35:38,820
don't know at all you know I mean I go

2436
01:35:43,070 --> 01:35:40,620
on YouTube I subscribe to your channel

2437
01:35:44,689 --> 01:35:43,080
and you know I don't know how else how I

2438
01:35:46,610 --> 01:35:44,699
can do that on my own I don't know if I

2439
01:35:48,290 --> 01:35:46,620
want to but

2440
01:35:50,209 --> 01:35:48,300
um you know any comments they that they

2441
01:35:52,910 --> 01:35:50,219
put a place on you know after this

2442
01:35:55,189 --> 01:35:52,920
interview I'll be happy to answer uh in

2443
01:35:56,689 --> 01:35:55,199
any way the best of my ability so just

2444
01:35:58,209 --> 01:35:56,699
throw that out there or they can email

2445
01:36:00,410 --> 01:35:58,219
me you know I don't mind that a bit

2446
01:36:02,689 --> 01:36:00,420
great thank you and I'll go ahead and

2447
01:36:04,970 --> 01:36:02,699
put your email address through the show

2448
01:36:07,430 --> 01:36:04,980
notes here as well and I'd be more than

2449
01:36:09,470 --> 01:36:07,440
happy to help you out too getting yeah

2450
01:36:11,629 --> 01:36:09,480
anything that's great I've got the

2451
01:36:13,010 --> 01:36:11,639
equipment you know it's pretty much you

2452
01:36:14,410 --> 01:36:13,020
know I don't have a lot of but I got I

2453
01:36:16,610 --> 01:36:14,420
got good enough stuff you know

2454
01:36:19,030 --> 01:36:16,620
absolutely we're working off the same

2455
01:36:22,010 --> 01:36:19,040
cameras as

2456
01:36:24,110 --> 01:36:22,020
well Mario this is thank you thank you

2457
01:36:25,370 --> 01:36:24,120
for sharing this thank you for your

2458
01:36:27,950 --> 01:36:25,380
service

2459
01:36:31,189 --> 01:36:27,960
um I know your search for answers only

2460
01:36:33,530 --> 01:36:31,199
just begun but I think it's very telling

2461
01:36:35,890 --> 01:36:33,540
that you're going to be speaking in

2462
01:36:38,930 --> 01:36:35,900
front of the Pentagon UFO office

2463
01:36:41,450 --> 01:36:38,940
hopefully soon about your event and

2464
01:36:44,149 --> 01:36:41,460
maybe that'll put one more puzzle piece

2465
01:36:47,149 --> 01:36:44,159
into place so um I'm gonna wish you the

2466
01:36:49,070 --> 01:36:47,159
best with that and um I'm Gonna Let You

2467
01:36:52,310 --> 01:36:49,080
Go here and debrief with our audience

2468
01:36:54,770 --> 01:36:52,320
for just a little bit sure uh so yeah

2469
01:36:56,450 --> 01:36:54,780
that's I'll say good night here and once

2470
01:36:58,850 --> 01:36:56,460
again thank you so much for joining me

2471
01:37:00,729 --> 01:36:58,860
on somewhere in the skies anytime Ryan

2472
01:37:03,290 --> 01:37:00,739
thank you very much for having me again

2473
01:37:05,030 --> 01:37:03,300
my absolute pleasure all right have a

2474
01:37:09,010 --> 01:37:05,040
great night all right see you a little

2475
01:37:14,149 --> 01:37:11,990
and there it is guys I have been waiting

2476
01:37:16,490 --> 01:37:14,159
a long time to have this conversation so

2477
01:37:19,790 --> 01:37:16,500
I truly do have to thank Mario for

2478
01:37:21,110 --> 01:37:19,800
giving us his time uh you'll notice my

2479
01:37:23,830 --> 01:37:21,120
background's a little different than

2480
01:37:26,689 --> 01:37:23,840
usual I am in an undisclosed location

2481
01:37:29,629 --> 01:37:26,699
here in Scotland uh working on some top

2482
01:37:33,050 --> 01:37:29,639
secret projects and whatnot so um I'm

2483
01:37:34,550 --> 01:37:33,060
just happy that the Wi-Fi uh held out

2484
01:37:36,890 --> 01:37:34,560
and we were able to have this amazing

2485
01:37:39,350 --> 01:37:36,900
conversation with Mario again I will put

2486
01:37:41,030 --> 01:37:39,360
his email address in the show notes for

2487
01:37:44,629 --> 01:37:41,040
you guys if you want to reach out to him

2488
01:37:46,970 --> 01:37:44,639
and uh the the conversations Only Just

2489
01:37:50,930 --> 01:37:46,980
Begun I can't wait to have him back on

2490
01:37:53,570 --> 01:37:50,940
to hear how his talk with arrow goes uh

2491
01:37:56,330 --> 01:37:53,580
that's incredible and again if you are a

2492
01:37:57,830 --> 01:37:56,340
military former military or active and

2493
01:38:00,470 --> 01:37:57,840
you want to come forward with the UFO

2494
01:38:03,350 --> 01:38:00,480
event I'm here Mario's here uh just to

2495
01:38:05,450 --> 01:38:03,360
hear you out uh sometimes that's all all

2496
01:38:08,169 --> 01:38:05,460
a lot of people need is to just get this

2497
01:38:11,209 --> 01:38:08,179
stuff off their chest and and I know

2498
01:38:13,669 --> 01:38:11,219
Mario's uh I commend him for doing this

2499
01:38:15,110 --> 01:38:13,679
uh for you know risking everything to

2500
01:38:17,270 --> 01:38:15,120
come forward and tell a story because

2501
01:38:20,149 --> 01:38:17,280
it's not easy uh but it's just going to

2502
01:38:22,669 --> 01:38:20,159
empower more people to do so so my

2503
01:38:23,990 --> 01:38:22,679
special thanks to him as well and uh

2504
01:38:27,770 --> 01:38:24,000
yeah I just wanted to give you guys a

2505
01:38:29,750 --> 01:38:27,780
little preview of next week's show here

2506
01:38:31,910 --> 01:38:29,760
see if I can get this up

2507
01:38:34,010 --> 01:38:31,920
next week we will be celebrating our

2508
01:38:36,229 --> 01:38:34,020
300th episode of somewhere in the skies

2509
01:38:38,510 --> 01:38:36,239
I never thought I would see the day but

2510
01:38:41,750 --> 01:38:38,520
it's here we've made it to episode 300

2511
01:38:43,729 --> 01:38:41,760
uh so a huge thank you to all of you

2512
01:38:45,350 --> 01:38:43,739
who've been there from the beginning who

2513
01:38:48,229 --> 01:38:45,360
kind of hopped in along the way it's

2514
01:38:49,910 --> 01:38:48,239
been an incredible journey and um I'm

2515
01:38:52,790 --> 01:38:49,920
gonna have two of my good friends from

2516
01:38:54,590 --> 01:38:52,800
the debrief joining me Mr Micah Hanks

2517
01:38:56,209 --> 01:38:54,600
and Christopher plane and they're going

2518
01:38:59,090 --> 01:38:56,219
to be coming on the show to talk all

2519
01:39:02,209 --> 01:38:59,100
about uh their favorite UFO stories from

2520
01:39:05,390 --> 01:39:02,219
2022 and what's to come this year in

2521
01:39:08,330 --> 01:39:05,400
2023 when it comes to UFOs uh space

2522
01:39:10,189 --> 01:39:08,340
exploration technology science you name

2523
01:39:11,810 --> 01:39:10,199
it we're going to talk about it it's

2524
01:39:14,629 --> 01:39:11,820
definitely going to be an exciting year

2525
01:39:17,030 --> 01:39:14,639
for this topic and for many others as

2526
01:39:20,090 --> 01:39:17,040
well so be on the lookout for that next

2527
01:39:23,270 --> 01:39:20,100
week live here on YouTube and then on

2528
01:39:24,830 --> 01:39:23,280
the podcast as well uh but other than

2529
01:39:26,689 --> 01:39:24,840
that guys

2530
01:39:29,149 --> 01:39:26,699
um thank you thank you for joining me

2531
01:39:31,430 --> 01:39:29,159
tonight for this special live stream a

2532
01:39:33,590 --> 01:39:31,440
special thanks to our Super Chat people

2533
01:39:35,270 --> 01:39:33,600
for everyone for giving their their

2534
01:39:38,270 --> 01:39:35,280
thoughts and opinions in the chat here

2535
01:39:40,310 --> 01:39:38,280
really do appreciate it and uh if you're

2536
01:39:42,770 --> 01:39:40,320
not subscribed subscribe right now click

2537
01:39:44,390 --> 01:39:42,780
like share all that good stuff and

2538
01:39:47,330 --> 01:39:44,400
subscribe to the podcast as well

2539
01:39:50,450 --> 01:39:47,340
wherever you get podcasts Spotify uh

2540
01:39:53,330 --> 01:39:50,460
Apple you name it we're there and um

2541
01:39:56,270 --> 01:39:53,340
plenty more to come guys in 2023 I'm so

2542
01:39:58,490 --> 01:39:56,280
excited for the future of the show so

2543
01:40:01,129 --> 01:39:58,500
I'm gonna say goodnight to you and as

2544
01:40:03,050 --> 01:40:01,139
always keep your feet on the ground but

2545
01:40:04,260 --> 01:40:03,060
never stop searching somewhere in the

2546
01:40:06,380 --> 01:40:04,270
skies have a great night

2547
01:40:08,330 --> 01:40:06,390
[Music]

2548
01:40:11,930 --> 01:40:08,340
[Applause]

2549
01:40:13,930 --> 01:40:11,940
[Music]

2550
01:40:15,320 --> 01:40:13,940
[Applause]

2551
01:40:39,050 --> 01:40:15,330
thank you